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Someone's having a real laugh - sperm of gollum to Utd.


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1 minute ago, Boss said:

Their signings post-Ferguson...

 

Varela
Fellaini
Mata
Herrera
Shaw
Di Maria
Falcao
Blind
Fosu-Mensah
Valdes
Depay
Rojo
Darmian
Schweinsteiger
Schneiderlin
Romero
Martial
Bailly
Ibrahimovic
Mkhitaryan
Pogba
Lindelof
Lukaku
Sanchez
Matic
Fred
Dalot
Grant

£780ml since fergie went. 

Doesn't buy much these days, about time they started backing the mamager

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54 minutes ago, Mcfaggen said:

If they had a plan, flogging Pogba & De Gea for £120m (lets be generous & say they'd get buyers at those prices) and probably a bit of flotsom to bottom of the division / promoted sides. They could have £200m to spend off sales alone - and given their financial capability, they could add £100m to that easily. As you say, they could be contenders within two years, IF they had a plan. 

 

They clearly don't & it's very amusing. 

I honestly don’t think it’s that easy.  Us and City are now on a different level because of the managers we have.  You can’t just buy all the best players available and win things anymore.  It’s why it doesn’t really matter what they do.  Hire Solskjaer or sack him, clear the squad out or not, promote youth or go for marquee signings.  None of it will make any difference because they don’t have Klopp or Guardiola and the other top or potentially top managers aren’t going anywhere.  It’s whats going to make it even funnier.  After this fails where do they go? Conte or Simeone?  Back to the negative football that will have the fans in meltdown and no longer works at the top of the league.  I can’t see Pochetino leaving spurs but even if he does or they go for an up and coming manager it takes a few years to build to play the football we play.  They won’t have the patience.  The whole thing is a car crash.

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Yeah, to match us and City in the long run they would need either Pochettino, Zidane or Simeone. Else, there's no other manager who would get the patience to build anything in the long run to be competitive at the very top. None of those three are really likely to go there, either.

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That club is fucked unless they can accept a complete overhaul with no prospect at all of challenging for the league for 3 or 4 years. 

 

Players like Matic, Lukaku, Jones, Smalling and Sanchez wouldn't get an offer of 50% of their current salary anywhere in Europe, unless China is an option they would consider then it's pay them off or let them live a Lazar Markovic type existence. 

 

Their young players are average at best, Martial is fucking shit, Rashford is the most overrated player in the league and McTominay is a cart horse.

 

Everything about them is rotten, now if they could just let off one last sting before they die.

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That list looks terrible now but it's important to realise... Depay was one of the brightest young talents in world football when he went there. Mkhitaryan was by far the best player in the Bundesliga the summer he moved. Pogba was the best player in Serie A. Ibrahimovic the best player in France. Blind was Dutch footballer of the year. Lukaku was 2nd top goalscorer in the Premier League. Sanchez was one of the top players in the league. 

 

It's just them. They ruin players. They could sign Sancho in the summer and he'll look like Ward Prowse after 10 games. It's glorious. 

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3 hours ago, Mudface said:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/manchester-united/alletransfers/verein/985

 

Looks like their net spend is over half a billion.

And their wage bill?

https://www.totalsportek.com/money/manchester-united-player-salaries/

 

Highlights include... 

De Gea              £200,000

Young               £110,000

Fred                  £120,000

Matic                 £120,000

Mata                  £140,000

Pogba                £290,000

Sanchez             £350,000

Lukaku              £200,000

 

By contrast, our top wage is Salah on £200,000 - which in my opinion is better value than Lukaku.

https://www.thisisanfield.com/liverpool-fc-player-contracts-and-wages/

 

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5 minutes ago, Boss said:

That list looks terrible now but it's important to realise... Depay was one of the brightest young talents in world football when he went there. Mkhitaryan was by far the best player in the Bundesliga the summer he moved. Pogba was the best player in Serie A. Ibrahimovic the best player in France. Blind was Dutch footballer of the year. Lukaku was 2nd top goalscorer in the Premier League. Sanchez was one of the top players in the league. 

 

It's just them. They ruin players. They could sign Sancho in the summer and he'll look like Ward Prowse after 10 games. It's glorious. 

Di Maria and Falcao were also highly rated - and cost them a fucking fortune.

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57 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

And their wage bill?

https://www.totalsportek.com/money/manchester-united-player-salaries/

 

Highlights include... 

De Gea              £200,000

Young               £110,000

Fred                  £120,000

Matic                 £120,000

Mata                  £140,000

Pogba                £290,000

Sanchez             £350,000

Lukaku              £200,000

 

By contrast, our top wage is Salah on £200,000 - which in my opinion is better value than Lukaku.

https://www.thisisanfield.com/liverpool-fc-player-contracts-and-wages/

 

From last May

 

1. Manchester City
League position: 3rd (Premier League)
Total wage bill: £264.1m

2. Manchester United
League position: 6th (Premier League)
Total wage bill: £263.5m
Notes: EFL Cup winners, Europa League winners

3. Chelsea
League position: 1st (Premier League)
Total wage bill: £219.7m
Notes: FA Cup runners-up

 

. Liverpool
League position: 4th (Premier League)
Total wage bill: £207.5m

5. Arsenal
League position: 5th (Premier League)
Total wage bill: £199.4m
Notes: FA Cup winners

6. Tottenham
League position: 2nd (Premier League)
Total wage bill: £126.9m

 
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1 hour ago, Boss said:

That list looks terrible now but it's important to realise... Depay was one of the brightest young talents in world football when he went there. Mkhitaryan was by far the best player in the Bundesliga the summer he moved. Pogba was the best player in Serie A. Ibrahimovic the best player in France. Blind was Dutch footballer of the year. Lukaku was 2nd top goalscorer in the Premier League. Sanchez was one of the top players in the league. 

 

It's just them. They ruin players. They could sign Sancho in the summer and he'll look like Ward Prowse after 10 games. It's glorious. 

It's been the byproduct of having a conservative style of play for 6 years. At the highest level, most great attacking players won't look great without some kind of coherent attacking philosophy as a base.

 

They haven't always made the right choices recruitment wise, but the majority of those players almost never had a chance from the start. It's been a structural and managerial failure. 

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8 hours ago, Boss said:

That list looks terrible now but it's important to realise... Depay was one of the brightest young talents in world football when he went there. Mkhitaryan was by far the best player in the Bundesliga the summer he moved. Pogba was the best player in Serie A. Ibrahimovic the best player in France. Blind was Dutch footballer of the year. Lukaku was 2nd top goalscorer in the Premier League. Sanchez was one of the top players in the league. 

 

It's just them. They ruin players. They could sign Sancho in the summer and he'll look like Ward Prowse after 10 games. It's glorious. 

And this why Klopp (Ok and Pep)  is so brilliant - he buys people who fit his style, they're not necessarily stand out individuals but work well as a team.

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12 hours ago, The Guest said:

I honestly don’t think it’s that easy.  Us and City are now on a different level because of the managers we have.  You can’t just buy all the best players available and win things anymore.  It’s why it doesn’t really matter what they do.  Hire Solskjaer or sack him, clear the squad out or not, promote youth or go for marquee signings.  None of it will make any difference because they don’t have Klopp or Guardiola and the other top or potentially top managers aren’t going anywhere.  It’s whats going to make it even funnier.  After this fails where do they go? Conte or Simeone?  Back to the negative football that will have the fans in meltdown and no longer works at the top of the league.  I can’t see Pochetino leaving spurs but even if he does or they go for an up and coming manager it takes a few years to build to play the football we play.  They won’t have the patience.  The whole thing is a car crash.

Yes, absolutely spot on. I guess what I was trying to say was if you took £300m with a plan, replaced the keeper (who wants out), two central defenders & a decent couple of midfielders (one of whom wants out possibly, definitely if they don't get CL football) this summer, you'd potentially have a spine to work with in January / next summer. It's a multi-year job at this point and as you say, they probably don't have the patience for it. They certainly don't seem to have a plan. 

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8 minutes ago, Mcfaggen said:

Yes, absolutely spot on. I guess what I was trying to say was if you took £300m with a plan, replaced the keeper (who wants out), two central defenders & a decent couple of midfielders (one of whom wants out possibly, definitely if they don't get CL football) this summer, you'd potentially have a spine to work with in January / next summer. It's a multi-year job at this point and as you say, they probably don't have the patience for it. They certainly don't seem to have a plan. 

Their plan will be to improve on this year and get top 4.  The biggest issue they have is lowering expectations among the massed hoards but reality eventually does sink in.

If they cull some of the worst half -arsed journeymen and put a shift every game it's a start.  Whether OgS is up to the job is another matter but they won't ditch him for another year at least imo. The players are in the spotlight not him.  

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4 hours ago, suzy said:

And this why Klopp (Ok and Pep)  is so brilliant - he buys people who fit his style, they're not necessarily stand out individuals but work well as a team.

Exactly, just look at how players step up a level once they come to us, they fit our system and benefit from playing to their strengths. 

 

And look at the players who have left, Coutinho and Can aren't exactly setting the world alight. 

 

 

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5 hours ago, suzy said:

And this why Klopp (Ok and Pep)  is so brilliant - he buys people who fit his style, they're not necessarily stand out individuals but work well as a team.

Spot on. Always say the best way to predict if a transfer will be successful isn't the quality of the player, but rather if the player fits in well with the style of the coach. Klopp and the transfer people at Liverpool have had a knack for doing this.

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15 hours ago, viRdjil said:

If I was managing them, I’d honestly play 4-4-2 with Pogba on the left.

 

——————De Gea—————

Dalot—Lindelof—Smalling—Shaw

—Lingard—Fred—Matic—Pogba

———Rashford—Martial———

Rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic, there. How is that team superior to their recent (nominal) 4-3-3 team with the same defective parts?

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