The BBC

[VladimirIlyich]

Just now, Gnasher said:

Rico makes a valid point though, look what happened in Scotland a few years ago when Labour took voters for granted and the SNP kept banging on and on about matters which concerned the Scottish electorate.

I was being slightly sarcastic but why can't people be concerned about what's happening in Palestine as well as the UK?

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, VladimirIlyich said:

I was being slightly sarcastic but why can't people be concerned about what's happening in Palestine as well as the UK?

They can, no problem with that it's the public only grant politicians a certain amount of their time plus a politician will only be granted a certain amount of air time so they need to use that time effectively, it's why Johnson and Cummings repeat soundbites over and over again  get brexit done, blah blah blah .

[Bruce Spanner]

14 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

I was being slightly sarcastic but why can't people be concerned about what's happening in Palestine as well as the UK?

Because most folk haven’t got a clue what a ‘Palestine’ is, they’re too busy trying to put food on the table and do enough to convince their boss they’re not expendable when the next round of redundancies come.

 

First thing the Tories do when they win elections is reduce funding for public services, libraries, it’s not a coincidence.

[Rico1304]

1 hour ago, VladimirIlyich said:

I was being slightly sarcastic but why can't people be concerned about what's happening in Palestine as well as the UK?

They can, and when Palestinians get to vote in our elections Labour will probably win.  Until then it’s an irrelevance to most people but always seems to be high up the agenda for the Labour Party. 

[cloggypop]

Great news for Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and that baldy twat off They Think It's All Over. 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/31/exclusive-bbcs-new-boss-threatens-axe-left-wing-comedy-shows/

[Duff Man]

Labour basing their entire campaign on Palestine and the transgenders really was a terrible mistake, looking back.

[Gnasher]

Good news for Numerous and his luvvie mates,

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Great news for Bernard Manning, Jim Davidson and that baldy twat off They Think It's All Over. 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/31/exclusive-bbcs-new-boss-threatens-axe-left-wing-comedy-shows/

Yeah. Labour wouldn't have got anywhere without the unfailing support that HIGNFY, Mock The Week, etc. gave to Corbyn and Abbott.

[Bruce Spanner]

11 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Yeah. Labour wouldn't have got anywhere without the unfailing support that HIGNFY, Mock The Week, etc. gave to Corbyn and Abbott.

They also tear in to the Tories. 
 

It’s all fair game. 
 

It’s not like the old days where the True Blues like Tarby and Dawson were telling the gags, the majority of the people on the above are left leaning and receive equal criticism from the right for their pillorying.

 

There are problems with the BBC, but I think people are looking at the wrong areas.

 

More pressingly the focus is on the BBC, which is part of a much larger media, most of which isn’t in any way ‘balanced’.

 

Look at the new shitfest Murdock is trying to get up and running, a UK version of Fox News,  news for the ‘disenfranchised’. Now the regulators will not stand for this as by law the UK media has to show balance and fairness of representation. They’ll circumvent this by putting a sixth form radical on every now and again to say something stupid, LBC do similar.
 

The problem starts here, not with the BBC.

[Jairzinho]

Why?

 

No-one expects Sky News or the Daily Mail to be balanced. They expect it to be right wing shite. 

 

It's the BBC, The Independent and The Guardian that Labour needs a fair crack from. They didn't get one with Corbyn, hopefully they will with Starmer. 

[Bruce Spanner]

18 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Why?

 

No-one expects Sky News or the Daily Mail to be balanced. They expect it to be right wing shite. 

 

It's the BBC, The Independent and The Guardian that Labour needs a fair crack from. They didn't get one with Corbyn, hopefully they will with Starmer. 

Sky News has to be balanced, it’s part of the broadcasters charter, how they balance is another matter and I’ve seen them flinging shit at the Tories throughout this. The Mail is probably the most cancerous thing in this country, but it’s the biggest selling newspaper and one of the biggest websites in the world, that tells you where the winds blowing. The Indy is owned by a Russian billionaire and the guardian should hold their head in shame, they knew what needed to be done and got involved in the petty introspection and not the wider fight. I believe the BBC did a decent job, but which ever side your ideological bent lie you’ll find issue. This also doesn’t include the elephant in the room of social media.
 

As I said before people got ample time on these platforms to talk to the nation unedited and they didn’t get the message across convincingly enough for these people to vote for them. You’ll hear no arguments that some of the coverage was detrimental though. The media didn’t lose the election, everybody but the Tories did. That’s the issue, not Corbyn’s portrayal, it’s his and his teams inability to sell the vision and his tragic handling of some issues, without going in to the wider party issues. The sooner people get over it the better. We got beat because they played the election better, they won because they were better. Look at what they did, how they did it, adapt and fight again. It’s about winning, that’s it.
 

As hard as it is for us to accept, we are the minority, for a myriad of reasons, and the sooner we accept that and figure out how to sell our vision to people the better. We have enough air time to do that and convince the public our version of ‘right’ is the one of many versions that’s best for them and we need people to believe that ours is the one worth following.

[Gnasher]

Bruce Spanner, dont blame the media its Corbyns "inability to spread his vision that was the problem"

 

Really?

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-is-the-most-smeared-politician-in-history/18/07/

[Bruce Spanner]

4 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Bruce Spanner, dont blame the media its Corbyns "inability to spread his vision that was the problem"

 

Really?

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-is-the-most-smeared-politician-in-history/18/07/

That‘a what you took from it? 
 

Cool.

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, Bruce Spanner said:

That what you took from it? 
 

Cool.

"The issue is not Corbyns portrayal by the media it's his and his teams inability to sell his vision"

 

What part have I failed to understand or comprehend from your post above?

 

[Bruce Spanner]

Just now, Gnasher said:

"The issue is not Corbyns portrayal by the media it's his and his teams inability to sell his vision"

 

What part have I failed to understand or comprehend from your post above?

 

The statement of fact above, he lost the election. 

[Gnasher]

Excellent article on how the newspapers run by billionaire owners lead tv media coverage in elections whilst issues like the nhs get buried

 

⁰0https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ourbeeb/newspapers-not-bbc-led-way-in-biased-election-coverage/

[Duff Man]

Would a society with a functioning media actually look like the one we have now? I don't know how anyone could possibly answer that question with a yes.

[Duff Man]

18 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Excellent article on how the newspapers run by billionaire owners lead tv media coverage in elections whilst issues like the nhs get buried

 

⁰0https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ourbeeb/newspapers-not-bbc-led-way-in-biased-election-coverage/

Weird that billionaires spend so much money acquiring media organisations and propping them up when they're not even profitable. A true mystery for the ages.

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, Duff Man said:

Weird that billionaires spend so much money acquiring media organisations and propping them up when they're not even profitable. A true mystery for the ages.

The main problem is the tv news bulletins taking their stories from the print media.

[Duff Man]

4 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

The main problem is the tv news bulletins taking their stories from the print media.

Yes, and you'd have thought that having people like Tom Newton-Dunn - a man who literally wrote an article in the Sun about an insane far right conspiracy lifted directly from antisemitic websites - regularly doing paper reviews on the BBC would also be a bit of a problem.

[Rico1304]

The balance thing is bollocks.  They have climate scientists on with all the data and then ‘balance’ it with some tin foil hat wearing nutcase. 
 

Although it’s still the best value for money and when it’s gone we'll realise

weve fucked up. 

[Bruce Spanner]

13 minutes ago, Duff Man said:

Yes, and you'd have thought that having people like Tom Newton-Dunn - a man who literally wrote an article in the Sun about an insane far right conspiracy lifted directly from antisemitic websites - regularly doing paper reviews on the BBC would also be a bit of a problem.

 

The BBC has to publish its complaints and responses every year, here’s 2018.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/sites/default/files/2019-05/BBC public complaints responses 2018.pdf

If it’s not here already then either nobody complained or there’s a grand conspiracy afoot?

[Duff Man]

Just now, Bruce Spanner said:

The BBC publish its complaints and responses every year, here’s 2018.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/sites/default/files/2019-05/BBC public complaints responses 2018.pdf

If it’s not here already then either nobody complained or there’s a grand conspiracy afoot?

He wrote the article, people complained, and he still gets invited on to their politics shows on a fairly regular basis.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/09/sun-publish-far-right-conspiracy-theory-labour

[Strontium]

7 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

The balance thing is bollocks.  They have climate scientists on with all the data and then ‘balance’ it with some tin foil hat wearing nutcase. 

 

Damn, you've really got it in for the Corbyn family.

[Duff Man]

Remember when Emma Barnett opened a debate about nationalisation by asking the Labour MP if they were going to nationalise sausages? Top notch political coverage.