Is it racist for a white person to paint their face black/brown for fancy dress?

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

9 minutes ago, aRdja said:

It certainly doesn’t feel right to me to join in.

Diesn’t bother me in the slightest. I will continue also to sing all the women.

[SasaS]

13 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Depends.

 

That Wikipedia stuff basically says that if people whose ancestors oppressed, killed and enslaved your ancestors for centuries continue the tradition by taking the piss out of whatever sacred symbols you have left, you might reasonablybe pissed off.

 

I've never been on the receiving end of imperialism, slavery or genocide and nor have my ancestors, so I'm reluctant to be dismissive about the grievances of someone who has. 

 

The notion of collective intellectual property rights is extremely dubious, culture is mostly up for grabs, it is almost always impossible to determine the exact ownership or origin of particular cultural elements, because of constant interconnected system of cultural influences. Also, the dominant and oppressed relationship is frequently difficult to determine because the world does not consist of a couple of simple relationships or dynamics Anglo-American academia seems forever confined to examining.

[Tony Moanero]

16 minutes ago, aRdja said:

It certainly doesn’t feel right to me to join in.

Why not, mate?

 

”Oh, I am a Liverpudlian” 

 

Liverpudlian = Someone from Liverpool and/or a Liverpool F.C. supporter. You rarely hear Liverpool fans referrered to as Liverpudlians nowadays, but years ago it was Liverpudlians and Evertonians, Reds and Blues.

 

 

 

[deiseach]

24 minutes ago, aRdja said:

It certainly doesn’t feel right to me to join in.

Oh. Just as well I'm not going to Anfield any more then. 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Not a fan of being called a Scouser. Might just be me.

[Strontium]

Technically Scouse is a Norwegian stew, so rather embarrassingly we've culturally appropriated it. Apart from all the Norwegians on the Kop, of course.

[TheHowieLama]

Cross Cultural Appropriation

[Numero Veinticinco]

22 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

Technically Scouse is a Norwegian stew, so rather embarrassingly we've culturally appropriated it. 

[homer]

 

mmmmnn cultural appropriation 

 

gggggggghhhhhhggggg

 

[/homer]

[Bjornebye]

Its a song 'about' a scouser. The only thing you sing about yourself is being a Liverpudlian. Which you are.

 

To be honest if you genuinely don't feel right singing it then you are a fucking whopper and I would rather you didn't. 

 

Silly question/conversation. I honestly thought you were taking the piss at first. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

Its a song 'about' a scouser. The only thing you sing about yourself is being a Liverpudlian. Which you are.

 

To be honest if you genuinely don't feel right singing it then you are a fucking whopper and I would rather you didn't. 

 

Silly question/conversation. I honestly thought you were taking the piss at first. 

Can we add in a verse about Ardj? Something about brekkie, brekkie, brekkie. 

[TheHowieLama]

Marko scored one,

Harry scored two...

[Bjornebye]

They pay 5 

I pay 50 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Can I tell you the story of a rich boy.

Who went far away from his home.

To find some food pretty ugly.

Usually served in an old folks home.

What he offered up caused division.

Was discussed call over the land.

Where the beans were there in their thousands.

And tomatoes were normally canned.

 

Now the brekkie it started next morning.

There was an egg that looked like the sun.

I remember adopted Scouser arDja.

Who paid too much just for fun.

As he sat in the cafe crying crying.

With red sauce running out on his egg.

As he sat in cafe crying crying.

He ordered another round of bread.

 

Ooh he is a Liverpudlian.

Sometimes sits on the Spion Kop.

He loves some sausage. 

And some bacon too.

And he’s laughed at quite a lot.

He goes to breakfast wearing trainees.

That we don’t like a lot.

 

 

 

[joeyk]

Superb. 

[Bjornebye]

14 minutes ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

Can I tell you the story of a rich boy.

Who went far away from his home.

To find some food pretty ugly.

Usually served in an old folks home.

What he offered up caused division.

Was discussed call over the land.

Where the beans were there in their thousands.

And tomatoes were normally canned.

 

Now the brekkie it started next morning.

There was an egg that looked like the sun.

I remember adopted Scouser arDja.

Who paid too much just for fun.

As he sat in the cafe crying crying.

With red sauce running out on his egg.

As he sat in cafe crying crying.

He ordered another round of bread.

 

Ooh he is a Liverpudlian.

Sometimes sits on the Spion Kop.

He loves some sausage. 

And some bacon too.

And he’s laughed at quite a lot.

He goes to breakfast wearing trainees.

That we don’t like a lot.

 

 

 

[aRdja]

2 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

Its a song 'about' a scouser. The only thing you sing about yourself is being a Liverpudlian. Which you are.

 

To be honest if you genuinely don't feel right singing it then you are a fucking whopper and I would rather you didn't. 

 

Silly question/conversation. I honestly thought you were taking the piss at first. 

I really like the song... but I just think it might look a bit contrived or ‘try hard’ for me to join in,especially amongs locals.. not being from the country let alone the city. There are plenty of other songs that I like that I feel comfortable joining in. 

[aRdja]

38 minutes ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

Can I tell you the story of a rich boy.

Who went far away from his home.

To find some food pretty ugly.

Usually served in an old folks home.

What he offered up caused division.

Was discussed call over the land.

Where the beans were there in their thousands.

And tomatoes were normally canned.

 

Now the brekkie it started next morning.

There was an egg that looked like the sun.

I remember adopted Scouser arDja.

Who paid too much just for fun.

As he sat in the cafe crying crying.

With red sauce running out on his egg.

As he sat in cafe crying crying.

He ordered another round of bread.

 

Ooh he is a Liverpudlian.

Sometimes sits on the Spion Kop.

He loves some sausage. 

And some bacon too.

And he’s laughed at quite a lot.

He goes to breakfast wearing trainees.

That we don’t like a lot.

 

 

 

Amazing work that.

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, aRdja said:

I really like the song... but I just think it might look a bit contrived or ‘try hard’ for me to join in,especially amongs locals.. not being from the country let alone the city. There are plenty of other songs that I like that I feel comfortable joining in. 

Mate its a song. Sing it. Loud 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

7 minutes ago, aRdja said:

I really like the song... but I just think it might look a bit contrived or ‘try hard’ for me to join in,especially amongs locals.. not being from the country let alone the city. There are plenty of other songs that I like that I feel comfortable joining in. 

Just go with it and enjoy yourself.

[Rico1304]

Fucking mental.  

[Tony Moanero]

6 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Mate its a song. Sing it. Loud 

Or just sit in the main stand and moan all game.  That’s what I’d do if I still went the match.

[Bjornebye]

7 minutes ago, Tony Moanero said:

Or just sit in the main stand and moan all game.  That’s what I’d do if I still went the match.

Its The Kenny Dalglish Stand now mate. 

[Tony Moanero]

5 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Its The Kenny Dalglish Stand now mate. 

True. I used to watch the odd cup game from the main stand and paddock. Used to sell boss Everton Mints in the kiosk.

[VladimirIlyich]

1 hour ago, aRdja said:

Amazing work that.

I am more than happy singing Waltzing Matilda or Tie Me Kangaroo down. Not keen on Two Little Boys though.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

9 hours ago, SasaS said:

 

The notion of collective intellectual property rights is extremely dubious, culture is mostly up for grabs, it is almost always impossible to determine the exact ownership or origin of particular cultural elements, because of constant interconnected system of cultural influences. Also, the dominant and oppressed relationship is frequently difficult to determine because the world does not consist of a couple of simple relationships or dynamics Anglo-American academia seems forever confined to examining.

It's nothing to do with IPR and it only applies to areas where cultural origins are beyond doubt.

 

As for the relationship between the dominant and oppressed culture, I can't think of a single example where it's anything but crystal clear: we are specifically talking about the legacies of colonialism, slavery and genocide.  There are no grey areas in those relationships.