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Is it racist for a white person to paint their face black/brown for fancy dress?


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  1. 1. Is it racist?

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His racism is consistent with being a racist, that's the only measure I need really.

 

Whether he's more or less bigoted than someone of similar age, class, wealth etc. is irrelevant, as they'd be similarly condemned. If they're all guilty of something, they don't all get a free pass because they're en masse.

 

As a businessman, he tried to exclude black tenants. As a politician, he's happy to describe economic migrants as rapists and criminals. The common denominator is him.

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1 minute ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I got a letter with "Do not bend" printed on the envelope. 

 

It's been on the mat for three weeks while I try to figure out how to pick it up. 

Ba Dum Tish.

 

My missus was staring at the orange juice in the fridge for ages yesterday because the label said 'concentrate.'

 

Tumbleweed.

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Here's a good rule of thumb, when trying to decide whether something is racist; as yourself, is this the kind of thing that a Tory councillor in Kent might do for a laugh?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/07/tory-councillor-wears-blackface-kent-bonfire-celebrations?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR3LuBR38QNvQmrF1u1-6Hg0qhYVkozMZmxAdAUJJ3XRc2JpFID1PBhdIQU

 

 

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5 minutes ago, aRdja said:

Somewhat related to this thread, for the Scouse GFers, verdict on someone clearly not from the city joining in the Poor Scouser Tommy song? Yay or nay? Could it be seen as cultural appropriation?

The more the merrier. As it happens only about 800 in a section of the Kop sing it. It gets a far better airing away from home.  

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3 hours ago, aRdja said:

Somewhat related to this thread, for the Scouse GFers, verdict on someone clearly not from the city joining in the Poor Scouser Tommy song? Yay or nay? Could it be seen as cultural appropriation?

Why not say "OOTs supporting Liverpool?"

 

Obviously it's not cultural appropriation.  Here's a definition from Wikipedia.

 

Cultural appropriation, at times also phrased cultural misappropriation,[2][3][4] is the adoption of elements of a minority culture by members of the dominant culture.[5][2][3]Because of the presence of power imbalances that are a byproduct of colonialism and oppression, cultural appropriation is distinct from equal cultural exchange.[6][3][7] Particularly in the 21st century, cultural appropriation is often considered harmful, and to be a violation of the collective intellectual property rights of the originating, minority cultures, notably indigenous cultures and those living under colonial rule.[2][8][9] Often unavoidable when multiple cultures come together, cultural appropriation can include using other cultures' cultural and religious traditions, fashion, symbols, language, and songs.[10][11][12]

 

According to critics of the practice, cultural appropriation differs from acculturation, assimilation, or cultural exchange in that this appropriation is a form of colonialism: cultural elements are copied from a minority culture by members of a dominant culture, and these elements are used outside of their original cultural context—sometimes even against the expressly stated wishes of members of the originating culture

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3 hours ago, aRdja said:

Somewhat related to this thread, for the Scouse GFers, verdict on someone clearly not from the city joining in the Poor Scouser Tommy song? Yay or nay? Could it be seen as cultural appropriation?

Cannot believe you’re even considering it? What next Adidas trainees a perm and a shell suit. You sir are a blaggard!

 

Frumfrumfrum ............

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16 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Why not say "OOTs supporting Liverpool?"

 

Obviously it's not cultural appropriation.  Here's a definition from Wikipedia.

 

Cultural appropriation, at times also phrased cultural misappropriation,[2][3][4] is the adoption of elements of a minority culture by members of the dominant culture.[5][2][3]Because of the presence of power imbalances that are a byproduct of colonialism and oppression, cultural appropriation is distinct from equal cultural exchange.[6][3][7] Particularly in the 21st century, cultural appropriation is often considered harmful, and to be a violation of the collective intellectual property rights of the originating, minority cultures, notably indigenous cultures and those living under colonial rule.[2][8][9] Often unavoidable when multiple cultures come together, cultural appropriation can include using other cultures' cultural and religious traditions, fashion, symbols, language, and songs.[10][11][12]

 

According to critics of the practice, cultural appropriation differs from acculturation, assimilation, or cultural exchange in that this appropriation is a form of colonialism: cultural elements are copied from a minority culture by members of a dominant culture, and these elements are used outside of their original cultural context—sometimes even against the expressly stated wishes of members of the originating culture


Last couple of decades have spawned some intellectual bullshit, but cultural appropriation is really in the bullshit league of its own.
 

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46 minutes ago, SasaS said:


Last couple of decades have spawned some intellectual bullshit, but cultural appropriation is really in the bullshit league of its own.
 

Depends.

 

That Wikipedia stuff basically says that if people whose ancestors oppressed, killed and enslaved your ancestors for centuries continue the tradition by taking the piss out of whatever sacred symbols you have left, you might reasonablybe pissed off.

 

I've never been on the receiving end of imperialism, slavery or genocide and nor have my ancestors, so I'm reluctant to be dismissive about the grievances of someone who has. 

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