Is it racist for a white person to paint their face black/brown for fancy dress?

[VladimirIlyich]

2 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Everyone doing fancy dress is a cunt. 

Hasn't the kid blackening up for a school fancy dress and dressing as Mo Salah hit the headlines once again? I'd say that a foo****l shirt with Salah on the back eliminates any need for a change in skin colour myself. Not to mention the trademark beard and tight curly hair.

[skend04]

23 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Everyone doing fancy dress is a cunt. 

Guilty as charged. But I would say in my defence that I'm on the lower end of the scale of cuntishness.

[skend04]

24 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

 

Double post.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Brownie said:

I don’t think it’s racist at all. The whole issue of race has escalated so much now that you have to stop and think about loads of little things to make sure you’re not perceived to be on the wrong side of it.

 

It shouldn't be about how you're perceived. It should be about finding out whether what you're thinking of doing or saying is likely to cause legitimate offence and then deciding whether or not you want to go ahead and do it anyway. 

 

It's more about who you are than what some random stranger on Twitter thinks of your actions. 

[Bjornebye]

4 hours ago, skend04 said:

I've done fancy dress once or twice. The best one was where we went on a stag do to Ibiza and all dressed up as JCVD from his Coors adverts complete with the wig and double denim. The black and brown ones in the group, we didn't find it necessary to whiten ourselves up. That's because we aren't cunts. Hope this helps.

 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Did fancy dress once for a 70’s night, went as a generic period slime ball and people thought I was Dickie Davies. Bit harsh on Dickie, by the end of the night I was John Holmes if anyone asked. 

 

 

[Denny Crane]

If someone was to start a thread on Windrush or people of colour being more affected by the criminal system or the educational system. Compared to a thread on white people being silenced and having to consider how they should behave/react would always get more comments. Not sure why that is but food for thought. 

 

 

[aRdja]

16 minutes ago, Denny Crane said:

If someone was to start a thread on Windrush or people of colour being more affected by the criminal system or the educational system. Compared to a thread on white people being silenced and having to consider how they should behave/react would always get more comments. Not sure why that is but food for thought. 

 

 

Surely it would be because more people would be in agreement with the general gist of the thread. Just like how the match threads would get more comments when we lose compared to when we win.

[VladimirIlyich]

14 minutes ago, Denny Crane said:

If someone was to start a thread on Windrush or people of colour being more affected by the criminal system or the educational system. Compared to a thread on white people being silenced and having to consider how they should behave/react would always get more comments. Not sure why that is but food for thought. 

 

 

Plenty of historical context for Windrush families.

[Denny Crane]

I googled a few blackfaces and some of the costumes seem to be in poor taste for me. Blacking up dancing and holding a black lives matter banner is one example of deliberately looking to mock and offend.  Is it that maybe .... of them are wrong but there is a concentration on the innocuous ones to ram the point that look people are so easily offended. I haven't looked into it that much so not sure if we are being manipulated.

 

For me anyone blacking up looks fucking daft. I never really thought much about blacking up but is it the literal blacking up that people are being offended by? Or is it a bit more complex than the literal costume.

 

I'm guessing that as society has long defined black and Asian people as solely defined by the colour of their skin so this then becomes a sensitive topic. There was a Diane Abbott one at the darts the punchline was she was holding a banner saying 190. But instead of blacking up could they have just given the person a nametag saying Diane or Shadow Home Secretary, MP. Or is it that being black solely defines Diane Abbott in the eyes of many, dunno.

 

 

 

 

[Sugar Ape]

One of my mates blacked up as Osama Bin Laden about 6 weeks after 9/11 and got into a fight with someone in a fat suit dressed as Pavarotti at a fancy dress party.

 

Wasn’t to do with the blacking up though, Pavarotti was just a dickhead.

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

One of my mates blacked up as Osama Bin Laden about 6 weeks after 9/11 and got into a fight with someone in a fat suit dressed as Pavarotti at a fancy dress party.

 

Wasn’t to do with the blacking up though, Pavarotti was just a dickhead.

I remember seeing some lad dressed up as Steve Irwin a week or so after Irwin got stingrayed. Some other lad got really offended and ended up banging the lad out. Ridiculous. It was in a Walkabout like. 

[SasaS]

I think it all has more to do with power now than actually being offended.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Taking offence to things that you really shouldn’t be bothered about detracts from actual offence in my opinion. But then I know fuck all. 

But others may suggest not taking offence to the smaller things makes being more offensive more acceptable. But what do I know.

[moof]

3 hours ago, Brownie said:

I don’t think it’s racist at all. The whole issue of race has escalated so much now that you have to stop and think about loads of little things to make sure you’re not perceived to be on the wrong side of it.

 

Yeah, what a pain in the arse that must be for us white guys 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

15 minutes ago, SasaS said:

I think it all has more to do with power now than actually being offended.

Are you saying that people claiming to be offended are doing so just to exercise power over those they claim are offensive?

 

I'm sure that happens sometimes; but I still reckon that the majority of cases of people blacking up involves racist dickheads deliberately trying to offend people. 

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Are you saying that people claiming to be offended are doing so just to exercise power over those they claim are offensive?

 

I'm sure that happens sometimes; but I still reckon that the majority of cases of people blacking up involves racist dickheads deliberately trying to offend people. 

I personally wouldn't do it just because I couldn't be arsed with the hassle if someone did take offence but... I don't think it is racist unless of course someone goes as a Minstrel e.g.. 

[Trumo]

6 hours ago, skend04 said:

I've done fancy dress once or twice. The best one was where we went on a stag do to Ibiza and all dressed up as JCVD from his Coors adverts complete with the wig and double denim. The black and brown ones in the group, we didn't find it necessary to whiten ourselves up. That's because we aren't cunts. Hope this helps.

 

That's because Van Damme's skin looks like it's made of leather.

[RobbieOR]

The majority of us on this forum, being white males, have no business saying that blacking up isn't offensive. 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

1 minute ago, RobbieOR said:

The majority of us on this forum, being white males, have no business saying that blacking up isn't offensive. 

How do you know we’re mostly white males you racist.

 

Although we probably are.

 

Except the ones who aren’t.

[RobbieOR]

1 minute ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

How do you know we’re mostly white males you racist.

 

Although we probably are.

 

Except the ones who aren’t.

 

What about the ones who are but aren't?

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Just now, RobbieOR said:

 

What about the ones who are but aren't?

Exactly Robbie.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

David Dickinson did it for years.

[Numero Veinticinco]

10 minutes ago, RobbieOR said:

The majority of us on this forum, being white males, have no business saying that blacking up isn't offensive. 

I dont think many commented on people finding it offensive, but rather that it isn’t racist. 

[Sugar Ape]

I’m 1/16 Cherokee Indian like Elizabeth Warren and find it racist if any of you have watched my people getting slaughtered by Clint Eastwood.