Man City - the new bitters?

[TheSire]

On 27/11/2024 at 14:28, SasaS said:

I don't like any of this. Now they will come to Anfield fully gripped by siege mentality, focused, fighting and playing not to lose.

 

If they have beaten Feyenoord by 3 or 4 goals they would be coming to beat us and restart their season based on not fully realizing their vulnerabilities which is what we would then be able to exploit. I don't think they are in such a meltdown we can properly finish them off. Hope I am wrong.

I think they'll be fragile as fuck tbh. Confidence is low and doubt is in their minds now. Players start to hesitate and second guess what they're doing and this leads to mistakes. They're really sloppy at the back and easy to play through. We just need to play with energy and be aggressive, the rest will look after itself.

[SasaS]

2 hours ago, TheSire said:

I think they'll be fragile as fuck tbh. Confidence is low and doubt is in their minds now. Players start to hesitate and second guess what they're doing and this leads to mistakes. They're really sloppy at the back and easy to play through. We just need to play with energy and be aggressive, the rest will look after itself.

 

Just like those two games with the Mancs that eventually derailed our season.

[TheSire]

21 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

Just like those two games with the Mancs that eventually derailed our season.

I'm thinking more like the one about 3 months ago.

[Code]

Martyn Ziegler, Chief Sports Reporter

Thursday November 28 2024, 6.30pm GMT, The Time

 

A proposal to ban state-controlled clubs from English football has been submitted in an amendment to the Football Governance Bill that will introduce an independent regulator for the sport.

The move, which would have to be agreed by parliament, would mean that Manchester City and Newcastle United would be forced to change their ownership in order to be granted a licence by the regulator.

Lord Bassam of Brighton, a Labour peer, has put forward the amendment to the legislation going through the House of Lords which would prevent professional English clubs being owned or controlled by sovereign wealth funds or government ministers from any country.

Newcastle are owned by Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund (PIF) while Manchester City’s owner Sheikh Mansour is the vice-president of the United Arab Emirates.

For the amendment to become law, it would also have to receive backing from MPs in the House of Commons, which in practice will only happen if the government agrees with it. Whitehall insiders insist the chance of the amendment being agreed is small, but some Premier League clubs have previously urged the government to introduce such a ban.

 

Bassam’s amendment states the legislation should read: “No state-controlled club may be granted an operating licence, and any affected club must satisfy the IFR [independent football regulator] that they have divested themselves of their state-control before applying for an operating licence.

Newcastle, who lost to West Ham on Monday, have been majority-owned by PIF for three years

 

“A state-controlled club is one which is wholly or majority-owned by individual(s), entities, or entities controlled by individual(s) who are deemed by the IFR or the secretary of state to be under the influence of any state actor, including but not limited to: members of any government or their immediate family, a head of state or their immediate family, diplomats, lobbyists, or other state representatives, or their immediate family, and sovereign wealth funds.”

The bill was debated in the House of Lords on Wednesday but peers have yet to discuss Bassam’s amendment.

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MI6 ‘involvement’ in Newcastle United takeover is ‘red flag’ for regulator

Baroness Karren Brady, the West Ham United vice-chairman, told the House of Lords on Wednesday that the government had ignored warnings from Uefa and handed even more power to the regulator over parachute payments to clubs relegated from the Premier League.

“Despite those warnings from Uefa, the government have made the backstop even wider and broader in scope, to now include parachute payments, which are fundamental to competitive balance,” she said.

 

“They have removed the incentives for a football-led deal, which goes specifically against the advice of Uefa. So it appears that the government have ignored that letter and its warnings. Uefa spells out that the ultimate sanction would be excluding the federation from Uefa and teams from competition.”

Brady said she supported another amendment which says nothing in the operation of the regulator should “compromise the ability of football clubs, competition organisers or national teams to comply with their obligations to, or participate in competitions of, international governing bodies including Uefa and Fifa”.

West Ham vice-chairman Brady warned of some proposed changes making the league less exciting

 

Brady said she was concerned that the regulator could damage the Premier League. She added: “This is a risky business. It is a risk trying to get promoted; it is a risk trying not to get relegated; it is a risk trying to get into the Champions League; and it is a risk trying to get into Europe and stay there. All football owners know these risks, and each one has a different way of managing, calculating and understanding them.

“Some take on debt; some put in equity; some sell assets — their footballers — if the risk does not pay off, but they go again.

“The problem with the idea of sustainability, which is undefined in this Bill, being the purpose of the regulator is that it can get in the way of ambition and aspiration, of calculated risk taking, and all the things that make the Premier League such an exciting and competitive league.”

https://www.thetimes.com/sport/football/article/lord-bassam-brighton-football-regulator-bill-state-ownership-rjzfmn9tr

[TheHowieLama]

"I have to prove myself now."

 

 

[Ne Moe Imya]

This, from the BBC after today's game, is an amazing bit of cope:

As a lifelong city fan I was pleasantly surprised with today's performance. I genuinely feared a much greater defeat at a place we never win even when we are dominating the league and Liverpool are off-form. City showed fight to get back into the game and didn't crumble. We have to remember that winning 4 in a row is unprecedented and city were pushed hard in all those 4 years. A drop off is completely understandable and city just look mentally and physically tired. We won't win the title this year - let others slug it out whilst we recover in time for the Club World Cup, which I think is the one the club hierarchy want this year.

Paul, Derbyshire

 

Sure, Paul. Not worried about the league, let everyone else slug it out for that while you can take the one title every fan really craves - the Club World Cup.

[Pete]

3 minutes ago, Ne Moe Imya said:

This, from the BBC after today's game, is an amazing bit of cope:

As a lifelong city fan I was pleasantly surprised with today's performance. I genuinely feared a much greater defeat at a place we never win even when we are dominating the league and Liverpool are off-form. City showed fight to get back into the game and didn't crumble. We have to remember that winning 4 in a row is unprecedented and city were pushed hard in all those 4 years. A drop off is completely understandable and city just look mentally and physically tired. We won't win the title this year - let others slug it out whilst we recover in time for the Club World Cup, which I think is the one the club hierarchy want this year.

Paul, Derbyshire

 

Sure, Paul. Not worried about the league, let everyone else slug it out for that while you can take the one title every fan really craves - the Club World Cup.

There was a caller on 606 saying to get Mourinho in to rebuild the team, as he’s good at that.   

[redinblack]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

There was a caller on 606 saying to get Mourinho in to rebuild the team, as he’s good at that.   

I think they need Big Sam myself. Or Warnock. Just till the end of the season when they get Lampard.

 

If we going to fantasise then let's go hog wild.

[Bruce Spanner]

9 minutes ago, Ne Moe Imya said:

This, from the BBC after today's game, is an amazing bit of cope:

As a lifelong city fan I was pleasantly surprised with today's performance. I genuinely feared a much greater defeat at a place we never win even when we are dominating the league and Liverpool are off-form. City showed fight to get back into the game and didn't crumble. We have to remember that winning 4 in a row is unprecedented and city were pushed hard in all those 4 years. A drop off is completely understandable and city just look mentally and physically tired. We won't win the title this year - let others slug it out whilst we recover in time for the Club World Cup, which I think is the one the club hierarchy want this year.

Paul, Derbyshire

 

Sure, Paul. Not worried about the league, let everyone else slug it out for that while you can take the one title every fan really craves - the Club World Cup.

There’s, sadly, some truth in that.

 

Its being billed as the club World Cup and if it does actually amount to anything winning the first one will be manna from heaven for these despotic bellends.

 

They'll be able to parade the trophy in front of a hundred thousand indentured servants at ‘The Great Sheik Shithead Stadium’ if it happens. 
 

Soft power/sports washing doesn’t give a shit about Southampton away.

[Fugitive]

5 minutes ago, Pete said:

There was a caller on 606 saying to get Mourinho in to rebuild the team, as he’s good at that.   

To be fair, a lot of their supporters were big Chelsea fans previously.

[TheDrowningMan]

They’re far from out of it, anyway. We still need to be close to perfect, and they’re only a couple of points behind Arsenal and Chelsea. I think they were about 12 points better than us from New Year’s Day through to the end of last season.

 

If the gap has shrunk to 6 or 7 points by the end of this month, I don’t think it’ll be unreasonable to consider them favourites - in 19/20 we broke their spirit and part of the reason for what was not letting them gain ground at any point (not until the lead was impregnable, at least). Could have been a different story if we’d gone and dropped points the game after opening up a 9 point lead over them.

[Spy Bee]

11 minutes ago, TheDrowningMan said:

They’re far from out of it, anyway. We still need to be close to perfect, and they’re only a couple of points behind Arsenal and Chelsea. I think they were about 12 points better than us from New Year’s Day through to the end of last season.

 

If the gap has shrunk to 6 or 7 points by the end of this month, I don’t think it’ll be unreasonable to consider them favourites - in 19/20 we broke their spirit and part of the reason for what was not letting them gain ground at any point (not until the lead was impregnable, at least). Could have been a different story if we’d gone and dropped points the game after opening up a 9 point lead over them.

Don't be a massive quim. We are heavy favourites for a reason. We might not win it, but we have a very significant chance of doing so. Don't be scared of that, embrace it!

[Section_31]

The delirious Liverpool crowd informed Guardiola that he would be sacked in the morning, which prompted him to raise six digits in their direction, one for each of his league titles in England. It was an isolated act of defiance from someone with the club’s crest on their chest.

 

 

[TheSire]

1 hour ago, TheDrowningMan said:

They’re far from out of it, anyway. We still need to be close to perfect, and they’re only a couple of points behind Arsenal and Chelsea. I think they were about 12 points better than us from New Year’s Day through to the end of last season.

 

If the gap has shrunk to 6 or 7 points by the end of this month, I don’t think it’ll be unreasonable to consider them favourites - in 19/20 we broke their spirit and part of the reason for what was not letting them gain ground at any point (not until the lead was impregnable, at least). Could have been a different story if we’d gone and dropped points the game after opening up a 9 point lead over them.

Why would you expect a side losing so many games to suddenly fix everything and start to dominate again? Their aura of invincibility is dead, same as us in the season we were awful for ages. The opposition start to realise they have a chance and they up their game considerably, a terrible thing when you're not playing well and your belief is gone. Any bit of bad luck and the players stop fighting and start to give up. They'll get back to some form but they're not going on any massive winning runs this season.

[TheSire]

1 hour ago, TheDrowningMan said:

They’re far from out of it, anyway. We still need to be close to perfect, and they’re only a couple of points behind Arsenal and Chelsea. I think they were about 12 points better than us from New Year’s Day through to the end of last season.

 

If the gap has shrunk to 6 or 7 points by the end of this month, I don’t think it’ll be unreasonable to consider them favourites - in 19/20 we broke their spirit and part of the reason for what was not letting them gain ground at any point (not until the lead was impregnable, at least). Could have been a different story if we’d gone and dropped points the game after opening up a 9 point lead over them.

You also have to factor in that they're playing much worse now vs last year, with us being much better with no signs of weakness. It's not luck or playing out of our skin, we're doing the same things consistently so this is all down to coaching and a noticeably better and more mature mindset amongst the players.

[redinblack]

1 hour ago, TheDrowningMan said:

They’re far from out of it, anyway. We still need to be close to perfect, and they’re only a couple of points behind Arsenal and Chelsea. I think they were about 12 points better than us from New Year’s Day through to the end of last season.

 

If the gap has shrunk to 6 or 7 points by the end of this month, I don’t think it’ll be unreasonable to consider them favourites - in 19/20 we broke their spirit and part of the reason for what was not letting them gain ground at any point (not until the lead was impregnable, at least). Could have been a different story if we’d gone and dropped points the game after opening up a 9 point lead over them.

Should we just go and piss the next 3 or 4  games up a wall to make it more realistic?

 

What in the name of Greek buggery are you on about?

[johnsusername]

2 hours ago, TheDrowningMan said:

They’re far from out of it, anyway. We still need to be close to perfect, and they’re only a couple of points behind Arsenal and Chelsea. I think they were about 12 points better than us from New Year’s Day through to the end of last season.

 

If the gap has shrunk to 6 or 7 points by the end of this month, I don’t think it’ll be unreasonable to consider them favourites - in 19/20 we broke their spirit and part of the reason for what was not letting them gain ground at any point (not until the lead was impregnable, at least). Could have been a different story if we’d gone and dropped points the game after opening up a 9 point lead over them.

 

We've just beaten Real Madrid and Man City within 5 days of each other. But you're right, now is not the time to get excited. 

[Jairzinho]

If we suddenly turn to complete shit and lose all of our games we won't win the league, in my opinion.

[Jairzinho]

The glass not so much half empty but smashed into several pieces with many of the shards having embedded themselves in your main arteries.

[SasaS]

2 hours ago, TheDrowningMan said:

They’re far from out of it, anyway. We still need to be close to perfect, and they’re only a couple of points behind Arsenal and Chelsea. I think they were about 12 points better than us from New Year’s Day through to the end of last season.

 

If the gap has shrunk to 6 or 7 points by the end of this month, I don’t think it’ll be unreasonable to consider them favourites - in 19/20 we broke their spirit and part of the reason for what was not letting them gain ground at any point (not until the lead was impregnable, at least). Could have been a different story if we’d gone and dropped points the game after opening up a 9 point lead over them.

 

They did just lose four on the spin.

[an tha]

I look at it like this.

 

There is a long, long way to go - 25 games and 75 pts to fight for.

 

Bit we are in a great position - sod getting ahead of oursleves though and just keep racking up the wins and points - and let's see where that takes us.

 

 

 

[an tha]

Fucking rats....

 

Nine arrests at Liverpool v Manchester City after reports of tragedy chanting

Nine men have been arrested following reports of tragedy chanting at the Premier League match between Liverpool and Manchester City on Sunday.

Merseyside Police confirmed the nine, from Greater Manchester, Lancashire and Cheshire, were arrested at Anfield. A 28-year-old man from Prestwich was also arrested on suspicion of common assault. Kian Holt, 19, of Medlar-with-Wesham in Lancashire has been charged with a public order offence under the Football Offence Act 1991, namely tragedy chanting. He is due to appear at Sefton Magistrates Court on 8 January.

The others arrested were a 38-year-old man from Audenshaw, a 32-year-old man from Macclesfield, a 52-year-old man from Denton, a 57-year-old man from Failsworth, a 58-year-old man from Rochdale, a 47-year-old man from Rochdale and a 53-year-old man from Manchester.

Six of the nine arrested have been bailed, two have been discharged for voluntary attendance and one has been charged.

[Lee909]

Imagine how sad a cunt you have to be to be in your late 40s to 50s and looking to fight or chant shit at a match

[an tha]

On 01/12/2024 at 19:30, TheDrowningMan said:

They’re far from out of it, anyway. We still need to be close to perfect, and they’re only a couple of points behind Arsenal and Chelsea. I think they were about 12 points better than us from New Year’s Day through to the end of last season.

 

If the gap has shrunk to 6 or 7 points by the end of this month, I don’t think it’ll be unreasonable to consider them favourites - in 19/20 we broke their spirit and part of the reason for what was not letting them gain ground at any point (not until the lead was impregnable, at least). Could have been a different story if we’d gone and dropped points the game after opening up a 9 point lead over them.

I don't think near perfection will be required this season.

 

I feel if any team hits 90 pts that they will win it handily.

 

Arsenal and Chelsea would need 65 from 25 games available to hit 90 - that is 99 pts over a season form - highly unlikely.

 

Abu Dhabi need 67 - 102 pts over a season form...

 

Big, big asks just to get to 90.

 

For us to get to 90 we need 56 from 25...85 pts over a season form.

 

So as you can see near perfection from here really isn't likely to be required

[Megadrive Man]

28 minutes ago, an tha said:

Fucking rats....

 

Nine arrests at Liverpool v Manchester City after reports of tragedy chanting

Nine men have been arrested following reports of tragedy chanting at the Premier League match between Liverpool and Manchester City on Sunday.

Merseyside Police confirmed the nine, from Greater Manchester, Lancashire and Cheshire, were arrested at Anfield. A 28-year-old man from Prestwich was also arrested on suspicion of common assault. Kian Holt, 19, of Medlar-with-Wesham in Lancashire has been charged with a public order offence under the Football Offence Act 1991, namely tragedy chanting. He is due to appear at Sefton Magistrates Court on 8 January.

The others arrested were a 38-year-old man from Audenshaw, a 32-year-old man from Macclesfield, a 52-year-old man from Denton, a 57-year-old man from Failsworth, a 58-year-old man from Rochdale, a 47-year-old man from Rochdale and a 53-year-old man from Manchester.

Six of the nine arrested have been bailed, two have been discharged for voluntary attendance and one has been charged.

https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/atmosphere-2024-25.365429/page-106

 

Predictable whataboutery and even going as far as saying that not allowing tragedy chanting is woke!

 

City fans are the worst in the country!