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10 hours ago, torahboy said:

David Conn with something that will not do a lot to ease the irritation that City fans are displaying at this time.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/feb/22/liverpool-finanacial-fair-play-manchester-city-uefa

Good article, thanks for sharing.

 

Wouldnt it be funny as fuck if UEFA turned around to city and said 'You want to raise the issue with Liverpool from 2013. An issue you had settled and accepted £1m. So, we're also going to re open our 2014 settlement with you regarding the lower fines levied on you for serious breaches of FFP in that period.'

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10 hours ago, torahboy said:

David Conn with something that will not do a lot to ease the irritation that City fans are displaying at this time.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/feb/22/liverpool-finanacial-fair-play-manchester-city-uefa

Excellent and well written article thanks for posting 

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13 hours ago, dockers_strike said:

Didnt Ince do it with a united shirt before his transfer from west ham to them? But considering sterling's agent is that ward, Im not in the least bit surprised.

Ince had agreed his transfer and did the publicity photos and fucked off on holiday while the club's finalised the deal I think. Then someone leaked the pictures. 

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On this issue of VAR shit that never goes against citeh, the ref who thought that Ederson was quite within his rights to punch Iheanacho square in the face resulting in him being taken off due to the injury, was the same cunt who disallowed Firmino’s goal on VAR for GBH by Big Virg on De Gea.

 

But we always get the decisions eh!

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24 minutes ago, Jimmy Hills Chin said:

On this issue of VAR shit that never goes against citeh, the ref who thought that Ederson was quite within his rights to punch Iheanacho square in the face resulting in him being taken off due to the injury, was the same cunt who disallowed Firmino’s goal on VAR for GBH by Big Virg on De Gea.

 

But we always get the decisions eh!

You don't understand the conspiracy. We only get the decisions when it matters. City are only getting decisions since var already gave us the league to make it look like it evens itself out over a season. The powers that be have been so transparent about this. 

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21 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

You don't understand the conspiracy. We only get the decisions when it matters. City are only getting decisions since var already gave us the league to make it look like it evens itself out over a season. The powers that be have been so transparent about this. 

The less than devious bastards!

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I wonder if City will just copy Chelsea's route around FFP moving forward.

 

I always thought it was rather clever of Chelsea, myself. They realised that when you sign a U18 player, it counts as part of your youth system, which is exempt from FFP regulations. So they just bought all the best U18 players, gave them whatever wages it took to get them to move there, and then loaned them out when they got to 19 or 20.

 

Then, when the player is 21 or 22 either you have a player who is good enough to play for your first team (who didn't cost you anything against FFP) or you can sell them, and use the fee to offset other purchases for FFP purposes.

 

It's kind of genuis, really. I still think it's odd how much coverage you saw about "Chelsea's loan army" with so little acknowledgement of why it was happening and how it related to FFP. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see City respond to this whole debacle by going out this summer and buying up the best U18 players in England and just doing the same thing.

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5 hours ago, Ne Moe Imya said:

I wonder if City will just copy Chelsea's route around FFP moving forward.

 

I always thought it was rather clever of Chelsea, myself. They realised that when you sign a U18 player, it counts as part of your youth system, which is exempt from FFP regulations. So they just bought all the best U18 players, gave them whatever wages it took to get them to move there, and then loaned them out when they got to 19 or 20.

 

Then, when the player is 21 or 22 either you have a player who is good enough to play for your first team (who didn't cost you anything against FFP) or you can sell them, and use the fee to offset other purchases for FFP purposes.

 

It's kind of genuis, really. I still think it's odd how much coverage you saw about "Chelsea's loan army" with so little acknowledgement of why it was happening and how it related to FFP. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see City respond to this whole debacle by going out this summer and buying up the best U18 players in England and just doing the same thing.

They already did that, their youth department is brimming with top top talent. They have been signing the best possible and paying them a fortune. If they can keep hold of most of them they are set for a production line that will make the fabled class of 92 ( I fucking hate that phrase ) look like a bunch of Sunday leagueers. 

 

That said keeping hold of them is probably going to be their problem. Sanchos succes will make agents and players looking elsewhere. Ourselves would potentially have the same problem as there are a few good youngsters looking like they are going to have bright futures, but it'll be a few years before we can start dreaming of the youth talent they have in their ranks. The changes to our academy setup hopefully will provide the possibilty of a steady production of revenue from selling on some of them, and hopefully produce a few for the first team along the way.

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56 minutes ago, Johnlj said:Ourselves would potentially have the same problem as there are a few good youngsters looking like they are going to have bright futures, but it'll be a few years before we can start dreaming of the youth talent they have in their ranks. The changes to our academy setup hopefully will provide the possibilty of a steady production of revenue from selling on some of them, and hopefully produce a few for the first team along the way.

Agree up to a point, but the best way to encourage youngsters to come/stay is the give them opportunities in the first team - and not just when it’s cup line-ups which are almost entirely made up of kids. 
 

Trent’s breakthrough is obviously a big deal on that score, and if Curtis can do the same then there’s a clear pathway for young players to break into the side. Obviously they have to be exceptional to make it, but even those a level below that (Harry Wilson, Ryan Kent, Camacho, and about two-thirds of Bournemouth’s squad) are brought up to become good players and we don’t act like dicks when we cut them loose. However if they want to be dicks then they can fuck off and play for Fiorentina’s under-19 squad. 

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On 22/02/2020 at 08:35, Anubis said:

Another rat off?

 

 

 

That would make sense as if you were to create a footballer who ticks every box for being a Barcelona player, it would be Bernardo. Small, lavishly skilful, tireless worker and a massive snidey twat.

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I concur. Absolutely brilliant footballer and a snidey cunt. Perfect Barcelona player. If he wasn't a grade a cunt. I'd take him in a heartbeat.

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11 minutes ago, The Guest said:

I can’t see them losing any players that aren’t out of contract in those 2 years (if the ban sticks).  They will just refuse to sell them.

There was some stuff about if the appeal fails the players could go for nowt, something about breach of contract. They would have a decent case but its highly unlikely any of them would do that. More likely would be more money or even agreement to sell. 

 

 

 

His conclusion: In reality, money talks. City players unlikely to walk out of lucrative contracts or become embroiled in legal battles. But their agents can now demand hefty guaranteed payments/renegotiated contracts for players to stay. City may have little option but to agree.

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I was chatting to 2 scouts from the Manchester Clubs on Saturday after an under 13s game. They approached me and asked me to see the match card, I said to the City fella these lads are too good for league 2, the Utd lad laughed but he didn't see the funny side of it.

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31 minutes ago, Philtrum said:

There was some stuff about if the appeal fails the players could go for nowt, something about breach of contract. They would have a decent case but its highly unlikely any of them would do that. More likely would be more money or even agreement to sell. 

 

 

 

His conclusion: In reality, money talks. City players unlikely to walk out of lucrative contracts or become embroiled in legal battles. But their agents can now demand hefty guaranteed payments/renegotiated contracts for players to stay. City may have little option but to agree.

They’d just send their 500 lawyers around to their house.  I think the likelihood actually is that they will be paying them so much money that another club paying them a signing on fee and market rate wages probably still wouldn’t cover what City are paying them so they wouldn’t want to leave anyway.

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12 minutes ago, The Guest said:

They’d just send their 500 lawyers around to their house.  I think the likelihood actually is that they will be paying them so much money that another club paying them a signing on fee and market rate wages probably still wouldn’t cover what City are paying them so they wouldn’t want to leave anyway.

Yeah, although if the ban sticks then some of those players might want to actually play in the CL and might not be about the money. hahahah I just reread that and had to laugh myself.

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I'm not sure they could afford to keep all their star players, if they get the full two year ban. The lack of CL revenue has the potential to put them into a cycle of making big losses and failing FFP again, hence why they're fighting it so furiously.

 

The wage bill is too high to cope without CL money. Similar to when we slipped out of it, the problem is reshaping a squad with key players on lower wages. They can't repeat the same sponsorship tricks to financially dope their way out of it, so they could be facing years of - whisper it - building a sustainable model where success isn't bought.

 

Or maybe just stop Pep spunking hundreds of millions on fucking fullbacks.

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Far too long to post on here but Swiss Ramble on Abu Dhabi and UEFA 

 

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1231847021973245952.html

 

 

The importance of commercial income (and Abu Dhabi sponsors) to #MCFC is evident. It has grown by over £200m in the last 10 years from £18m to £230m, more than any other English club, and accounted for as much as 53% of total revenue in 2013.

 

To further illustrate the importance of the Champions League to #MCFC, this has provided them with a clear financial advantage over other English clubs. In last 5 years, City earned €337m from Europe, way ahead of #LFC €264m, #THFC€236m, #AFC €231m, #MUFC & #CFC both €220m.

 

#MCFC will point to other cases where UEFA were more lenient, especially PSG, where the organisation ultimately sided with the French club’s appeal to CAS, despite clear similarities with City, i.e. allegedly overstating sponsorships, as commercial income rose €222m in 7 years. 

 

Similarly, CAS told UEFA that Milan’s two-year ban was not proportionate and they had not properly assessed some “important elements”, resulting in the ban being halved to one year. It is worth noting that Milan have accumulated €543m of losses in the last six years.

 

Last February CAS also ruled in favour of Galatasaray, who had objected to a decision by UEFA to re-open a FFP investigation, though this appears to be more of a technicality, i.e. UEFA had failed to review the case within the prescribed timeline.

 

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Have to admire Rui Pinto (outwith his dreadful haircut), him extracting that cache of emails has basically enabled us to see what we knew all along that Manchester city are a gang of oil money cheats and that Cristiano Ronaldo is a rapist.

 

I wonder if he hacked Liverpool's servers as well, but there was just nothing juicy to get their teeth into, it was just Bobby and Klopp sending load of emails to each other about dental specialists.

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