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Man City - the new bitters?


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3 hours ago, Marko121 said:

A delay that they themselves caused 


That may be so, but hopefully this causes UEFA to close loopholes and run a tighter ship. Given the nature of the decision, this need not be a bad thing for the future of FFP as long as UEFA have the will to implement a more stringent version of it; the five year rule is their own, after all, and can presumably be changed.

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If we don't strengthen in this window then we won't be retaining the league. Its obvious to everyone that the squad needs strengthening and it will be a very bitter pill to swallow if we don't spend for the second summer going. 

 

You never stand still in football but it appears that exactly what the club want to do. 

 

I dont buy into this we have no money shite. We've just come off our most successful 2 year period in 30 odd years and yes we have lost match day revenue but for the club to say we a skint quite frankly is a slap in the face to the fans that they think we are stupid enough to believe it.

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It was CAS who city bribed .........................The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) is an institution independent of any sports organization which provides for servic­es in order to facilitate the settlement of sports-related disputes through arbitration or mediation by means of procedural rules adapted to the­ specific needs of the sports world.

The CAS was created in 1984 and is placed under the administrative and financial authority of the International Council of Arbitration for Sport (ICAS).

 The CAS has nearly 300 arbitrators from 87 countries, chosen for their specialist knowledge of arbitration and sports law. Around 300 cases are registered by the CAS every year.

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58 minutes ago, Leyton388 said:

If we don't strengthen in this window then we won't be retaining the league. Its obvious to everyone that the squad needs strengthening and it will be a very bitter pill to swallow if we don't spend for the second summer going. 

 

You never stand still in football but it appears that exactly what the club want to do. 

 

I dont buy into this we have no money shite. We've just come off our most successful 2 year period in 30 odd years and yes we have lost match day revenue but for the club to say we a skint quite frankly is a slap in the face to the fans that they think we are stupid enough to believe it.

Thats why we are activating Lovrens extension. We aint buying zip.

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It's not about John Henry or FSG or Timo Werner. John Henry could spend every cent he has, ever will have or ever could borrow on LFC and he'd still be outgunned financially by a ratio of ten to one by the Abu Dhabi mob (at the very least) - more if these Saudi lads get involved at Newcastle. He won't do that, and whether that makes him a cunt or not is a matter for another argument.

 

Point is though that state wealth in football effectively creates a super-rich elite that stands head, shoulders, torso and knees above even the biggest clubs. Most clubs will choose not to engage with them in the arms race, which gives the state-run clubs a free run at the top talent and the top trophies. That's bad enough, but the bigger issue is that some clubs will feel compelled to, and in doing so will rack up unsustainable, catastrophic debt. And some of their peers will feel forced to compete with that. And some of the clubs in the tier below will feel they have to do similar to try and bridge the gap. All of these clubs are gambling their very existence - on the off-chance of competing with the chump change of state wealth.

 

FFP isn't about "protecting the old guard" - it's about keeping the wealth ratio between the majority of 'top' clubs at least reasonably proportional. If it goes, then we either accept European football as a blag PR war between various states in need of a market repositioning, or we see dozens of clubs ruin themselves trying to keep up.

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As much as I think it's the wrong decision I don't see that it gives the green light for shitteh and the like to spend what they want. If anything clubs will be under more scrutiny to spend within the rules. Just can't see UEFA making the same mistake again.

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4 minutes ago, Manny said:

It's not about John Henry or FSG or Timo Werner. John Henry could spend every cent he has, ever will have or ever could borrow on LFC and he'd still be outgunned financially by a ratio of ten to one by the Abu Dhabi mob (at the very least) - more if these Saudi lads get involved at Newcastle. He won't do that, and whether that makes him a cunt or not is a matter for another argument.

 

Point is though that state wealth in football effectively creates a super-rich elite that stands head, shoulders, torso and knees above even the biggest clubs. Most clubs will choose not to engage with them in the arms race, which gives the state-run clubs a free run at the top talent and the top trophies. That's bad enough, but the bigger issue is that some clubs will feel compelled to, and in doing so will rack up unsustainable, catastrophic debt. And some of their peers will feel forced to compete with that. And some of the clubs in the tier below will feel they have to do similar to try and bridge the gap. All of these clubs are gambling their very existence - on the off-chance of competing with the chump change of state wealth.

 

FFP isn't about "protecting the old guard" - it's about keeping the wealth ratio between the majority of 'top' clubs at least reasonably proportional. If it goes, then we either accept European football as a blag PR war between various states in need of a market repositioning, or we see dozens of clubs ruin themselves trying to keep up.

Good summary that and it's hints at an obvious and very easy solution. Ban state owned clubs entering European competition. Stretch it to banning it full stop if possible.

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1 hour ago, Grinch said:

John Henry can start by spending what we earn, something they fail to do more often than not. 

 

 

You think the Main Stand, Kirkby Training Centre and proposed Annie Road extension money grows on trees or the workers who build them give their labour for free?

 

Do I want the club to earn a pound and spend a pound? No, because that's almost as stupid as earning a pound and spending a pound and a penny.

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7 hours ago, No2 said:

The same one that Chelsea still owe over £1bn too. Don't know where you heard that, Chelsea are spending the Hazard and Moratta money. Abramovich hasn't put his own money for a few years now.

 

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chelsea-wages-up-to-244m-as-chelsea-s-debt-to-abramovich-grows-to-1-13bn-v365wf8zb#:~:text=His investment is surprising in,to about £1.13 billion.

 

I think there was a point a few years back where abromvich changed some of his loans in to equity (even though he already owned 100% of Chelsea) to allow them not to sustain loss and debt issues with ffp. So while Chelsea still owe him loads, I'm pretty sure a chunk has effectively been written off. 

6 hours ago, Pistonbroke said:

Apparently this was posted on Instagram as the news broke and has now been taken down. Smug bastards.

 

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I was in the car earlier, about half an hour after the news broke, but I didn't know what had happened to put talksport on to find out. Jim white was saying someone from their board (don't recall the name) had called them and said there is no celebration at city, just humility. Fucking twats. Anyone who calls themselves humble, the mind boggles. 

 

As for the ruling, I'm shocked about the 5 year rule. Standard practice in law is this only applies if you've failed to act on information you had isn't it? So for example, when I do my company or personal tax returns, I think there's a 7 year limit on both and by law I am required to only keep records for 7 years unless otherwise questioned by the revenue. However, if they send me one letter that says they have questions about that return, the 7 year law does not apply. Then even if they don't, but subsequently find the information on my returns was incorrect, the 7 year rule is thrown out too. So time limitations are dependent on you being truthful on your return, if they're fraudulent, you lose that protection. Surely uefa are not so stupid not to have that built into their governing laws? Honestly, uefa want properly fucking if ffp regs were allowed such an easy escape and want double fucking for pursuing this in light of the 5 year limitation. 

 

As for moaning about fsg in light of this, I can't stand them, but have no issue or expectation of them breaking ffp. It's not sustainable to keep investing year after year. It'd be handy if they didn't hoard cash like fucking Scrooge and allowed us to buy the odd player without having to flog one 1st. Or maybe got their fucking fingers out and finished the ground which isn't even included in ffp calculations. 

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Fuck em they could spend what the liked last year the year before and the year before that and we still won the league .

Last season they won a treble and no one gave a fuck hence why they get so upset over all things LFC and it will be the same if they win another one next month...Sorry the only ones who will give a shit are their (“new”) fans and Evertonians 

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John Henry and FSG run a very tight financial ship. I definitely agree that we should spend in order to not stand still. We actually don't need to spend huge amounts, but to spend nothing especially while our rivals spend like drunken sailors is a mistake imo. 

 

I do think Jurgen has a say and if he wanted to spend 50 or 60 million on a player, I have no doubt he would get the thumbs up from them. I think Jurgen will use the next few games to blood in Minamino, Williams and Jones with a view to them being ready for next season.

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2 hours ago, DalyanPete said:

As much as I think it's the wrong decision I don't see that it gives the green light for shitteh and the like to spend what they want. If anything clubs will be under more scrutiny to spend within the rules. Just can't see UEFA making the same mistake again.

That's what I've generally felt after reading a few articles about it. UEFA generally believe that FFP has been a success with a lot of the leagues in Europe having clubs in little or no debt.

 

You also have the president of La Liga apparently furious about the decision and I'm sure Serie A and the Bundesliga would be. Even France must be fed up of PSG winning everything because of who they are owned by. 

 

The only fine that City received was for non compliance with the process because they believed that they didn't have any evidence to give UEFA and that because the emails that were used were hacked and should not have been used. 

 

Hopefully the rules are tightened up and City's cards are forever marked. That's me being optimistic anyway.

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12 minutes ago, Ronnie Whelan said:

John Henry and FSG run a very tight financial ship. I definitely agree that we should spend in order to not stand still. We actually don't need to spend huge amounts, but to spend nothing especially while our rivals spend like drunken sailors is a mistake imo. 

 

I do think Jurgen has a say and if he wanted to spend 50 or 60 million on a player, I have no doubt he would get the thumbs up from them. I think Jurgen will use the next few games to blood in Minamino, Williams and Jones with a view to them being ready for next season.

I am critical of them but I'd rather have Neco Williams as a back up full back than buying a 27 year old from a Spanish club for 60m. 

 

We just need a couple of players and hopefully bed in these players when Salah, Mane, Firmino etc decline rather than getting 2 years down the line when they are 30 odd then ripping the whole team apart and starting from scratch like Real Madrid or Barcelona tend to do.

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14 minutes ago, Ronnie Whelan said:

John Henry and FSG run a very tight financial ship. I definitely agree that we should spend in order to not stand still. We actually don't need to spend huge amounts, but to spend nothing especially while our rivals spend like drunken sailors is a mistake imo. 

 

I do think Jurgen has a say and if he wanted to spend 50 or 60 million on a player, I have no doubt he would get the thumbs up from them. I think Jurgen will use the next few games to blood in Minamino, Williams and Jones with a view to them being ready for next season.

Klopp clearly wanted Werner, it was broadcast pretty loudly he called him over lockdown. Then fsg said there's no money. Klopp just gets on with it because he's not arsed. He just sees it as another challenge. But anyone who thinks klopp didn't want Werner is kidding themselves. 

 

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1 minute ago, Grinch said:

Psg have two forwards that cost nearly 400m.   Both on wages that the current European champions and Premier league winners couldn't even dream about paying. 

 

What FFP? 

Yeah, but their owners own one of the TV companies paying shitloads for TV rights! If you're going to be corrupt, do it in style. 

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32 minutes ago, The Gaul said:

Klopp clearly wanted Werner, it was broadcast pretty loudly he called him over lockdown. Then fsg said there's no money. Klopp just gets on with it because he's not arsed. He just sees it as another challenge. But anyone who thinks klopp didn't want Werner is kidding themselves. 

 

I have no doubt he wanted him badly. He is a top class young player who would have slotted right in. 

 

The thing is Jurgen would also have recognised that once Chelsea offered him hige wages that would have eclipsed the likes of Virgil and Mo, this is not good for morale and that is one of our biggest strengths.

 

Did FSG override him? No one will ever know but by all accounts we had agreed the deal pre Covid but once Chelsea threw the wonga at him, we refused to budge. My gut tells me that was a joint FSG and Jurgen decision. 

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