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Man City - the new bitters?


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We were doing quite well when rags were the main rival, we had all problems under control. There was a hate, but it was under control, the way we won the first title probable helped, it was epic one.

It's when it looked like we are stopping two best dipper generations in decades of winning the title, when all hell broke and hate from many angles became vitriol and even the slightest impartiality was thrown to the wind.

They're mafia in the suits, the cult in the stands and we'll have to deal with them with no mercy. They're powerful enemies though, in all departments.

Not sure if we won the European cup or an infinity stone..,

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2 minutes ago, Jimmy Hills Chin said:

I tend to be in a bit of a bubble about this as I don't go on social media much and as such I get the fume mainly from stuff I read on here. It's a nice way to be as to be honest I can't be arsed dealing with people like that. 

 

I'm more or less the same, plus living abroad lets me escape the crap. If I don't go looking then I won't find the bile. 

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1 hour ago, Jimmy Hills Chin said:

For all Leicester's one off title and city's Aguero moment, wait until the day that Liverpool win the match that wins the league title and look at the partying afterwards. It will make your title wins look like you've just won the Muscial Chairs award at Charlie Jenkins' 8th birthday party.

 

They really have no idea how big this feels to Liverpool fans and how much it will mean. The fact that we are so far ahead means the sum total of fuck all. This is going to be awesome.

Yeah if and when it happens 30 years of waiting released....

 

30 years of jibes, chants at us - shoved back down peoples throats.

 

Never mind how far ahead we are or will be, or it 'lacking drama', or it being inevitable and just a matter of when taking the excitement away blah blah fucking blah....it would be/will be fucking unreal.

 

We deffo took it for granted a bit back when we were winning it regularly, it is only when you stop winning it and wait for so long and endure miseries like 2014 that you realise you really never should, it is special, it is still the ultimate prize as it is 38 games of week in week out grind....and if and when we seal it it will be the biggest party we have seen for many, many a year - maybe ever.

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1 minute ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

I'm more or less the same, plus living abroad lets me escape the crap. If I don't go looking then I won't find the bile. 

I went over to Germany a couple of years ago with my son to watch a Dortmund and a Gladbach game. I was only there for 3 days but found the German people brilliant to a man (or woman). Couldn't have been nicer or friendlier.

 

But 10 German bombers eh ... the same people who no doubt gob off about VAR etc.

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The best thing is, they'll hate us rubbing it in. The irony of it all won't be lost on myself. They'll have a whole year (maybe's a lot longer) of hatred/fume and deep down jealousy as they give themselves illnesses due to their high blood pressure. It really is a great feeling this season (plus number 6 last season) to be back on our perch and doing it in a style never seen before. 

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1 minute ago, Jimmy Hills Chin said:

I went over to Germany a couple of years ago with my son to watch a Dortmund and a Gladbach game. I was only there for 3 days but found the German people brilliant to a man (or woman). Couldn't have been nicer or friendlier.

 

But 10 German bombers eh ... the same people who no doubt gob off about VAR etc.

 

You can find idiots over here as well mate, but the vast majority of football fans love the game and are real decent about things, even against their rivals. Stadiums are full due to the cheap prices and they sing and chant the whole game as a rule and rarely sing vile songs. Totally different atmosphere/occasion as the PL. Get pissed at the game as well, although the beer prices are City centre prices, a case of have or have not though. Be great if they sold decent pies. 

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1 minute ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

You can find idiots over here as well mate, but the vast majority of football fans love the game and are real decent about things, even against their rivals. Stadiums are full due to the cheap prices and they sing and chant the whole game as a rule and rarely sing vile songs. Totally different atmosphere/occasion as the PL. Get pissed at the game as well, although the beer prices are City centre prices, a case of have or have not though. Be great if they sold decent pies. 

The free train rides, buses etc. all add to the feeling of not being taken for granted as a supporter. That and the bratwurst.

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1 hour ago, Stickman said:

Can't see the rest of the article as I'm not subscribed but they're not gonna like the headline in The Times 

 

FOOTBALL | DAVID WALSH

 

Toughest punishment for Manchester City will not be exile from Champions League but knowing that, like Saracens and Team Sky, their triumphs are forever tainted

 

Have you ever wondered how many Twitter followers Oscar Wilde would have had if he had been born into this generation? All those exquisite one-liners, razor-sharp put-downs, witty assassinations of the bumptious and the bluffers. I thought of something Wilde said when news of Manchester City’s two-year ban from European competition broke on Friday. It came with a warning not to feel too much sympathy for City.

 

In 1889 Wilde wrote an essay called The Decay of Lying: An Observation. It is a conversation between two characters, Vivian and Cyril. At one point, Vivian addresses the central issue. “After all, what is a fine lie? Simply that which is its own evidence. If a man is sufficiently unimaginative to produce evidence in support of a lie, he might just as well speak the truth at once.”

 

In November 2018 the German magazine Der Spiegel, using stolen documents, wrote a series of articles about how Manchester City and Paris Saint-Germain circumvented Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules. As Der Spiegelhad in its possession a multitude of internal emails from Manchester City, its four-part story on the English club offered damning evidence that they had broken the rules.

 

The response from the club was the perfect epitome of Wilde’s “fine lie”. City did not argue that the incriminatory emails were fake but that they had been stolen. Neither did the response address the principal allegation that the owner, Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, was secretly funnelling hundreds of millions into the club, in contravention of FFP regulations.

 

City just battened down the hatches. “The attempt to damage the club’s reputation is organised and clear,” it said in a statement. Without evidence to support its lie, City would indeed have been better off telling the truth from the beginning.

 

Perhaps it was because the case against the club, written in its own emails, was irrefutable. Like confetti, the examples were scattered among Der Spiegel’s four pieces. Chief executive Ferran Soriano returning from a meeting of the European Club Association where it had become clear FFP rules were becoming important: “We will need to fight this and do it in a way that is not visible, or we will be pointed out as the global enemies of football.”

 

The challenge for City was to increase revenue and this was achieved through lucrative sponsorship deals with Abu Dhabi-based companies: the airline Etihad, the investment company Aabar, the telecoms business Etisalat and the Abu Dhabi Tourism Authority. The deals, though, weren’t what they seemed.

 

The annual £15 million from Aabar was just £3 million from the sponsor. Simon Pearce, a board member, explained in an internal communication where the rest came from: “£12 million coming from alternative sources provided by His Highness.” In another email Pearce, responding to a question from the chief financial officer Jorge Chumillas about whether the club could change the date of payments made by sponsors, wrote, “Of course, we can do what we want.”

 

Perhaps emboldened by the brilliance of the team and encouraged by the weak, softly-softly approach taken by Uefa’s general secretary, Gianni Infantino, the club seemed to believe it should be beyond reproach. It threatened Uefa with lawsuits and there is one email that club lawyer Simon Cliff will deeply regret. “1 down, 6 to go,” he wrote to a colleague about the sudden death of former Belgian prime minister Jean-Luc Dehaene, who was leading the investigation into FFR irregularities.

 

Most lovers of fine football never wanted to see this day. “They do play beautiful football, for that you could forgive them everything,” commented a Sunday Times reader in 2018. That may be how we feel in the moment of Kevin De Bruyne’s incisive dribble and pinpoint pass or when Sergio Agüero rifles the ball into the net. In the cold light of the following day, it is not so easy to ignore the lengths to which City went to disguise and misrepresent the sources of their revenue.

 

Justice is not always evenly dispensed. In this case it certainly hasn’t been.

 

Uefa’s Investigatory Chamber considered what went on at PSG , especially around the time the club paid €180 million (about £149 million) for Kylian Mbappé and then, a year later, €222 million (about £184m) for Neymar. Yves Leterme, another former Belgian prime minister, concluded that PSG had not broken FFP rules. Leterme’s report was released on June 18, 2018, four days after the start of the World Cup.

 

Uefa’s adjudicatory committee chairman, Jose Narciso da Cunha Rodrigues, was astonished by Leterme’s exoneration of PSG and tried, unsuccessfully, to initiate a new investigation. “The decision to close the case was manifestly erroneous,” Da Cunha Rodrigues said. It may not have hurt PSG’s case that its president, Nasser al-Khelaifa, is on Uefa’s executive board and is chairman of the beIN Media Group, a major player when it comes to the sale of Uefa’s TV rights.

 

The City story is another version of Saracens in rugby and Team Sky’s rise in cycling. At the beginning there is optimism and idealism, a desire to create an empire that will be successful and admirable. City have done much that is right and made a significant contribution to the regeneration of their part of east Manchester. From the beginning the team set out to play entertaining football and since the coming of Pep Guardiola they have been a joy to watch. So, too, Saracens played great rugby in becoming three-time European champions and they have also done much for the community around them. City under Guardiola, Saracens under Mark McCall and Team Sky under Dave Brailsford created cultures that were the envy of their rivals.
 

Alas, when the time came for proper scrutiny all three cultures were less than they purported to be. The cost of that will not be counted in the millions City will lose from being excluded from the Champions League or in Saracens’ relegation. The true punishment comes in how their victories are remembered. City’s championships, Saracens’ titles, Team Sky’s success at the 2012 Tour de France; they all remain on the books but with asterisks alongside their names.

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1 hour ago, Stickman said:

Can't see the rest of the article as I'm not subscribed but they're not gonna like the headline in The Times 

 

FOOTBALL | DAVID WALSH

 

Toughest punishment for Manchester City will not be exile from Champions League but knowing that, like Saracens and Team Sky, their triumphs are forever tainted

The tainted thing is beautiful Karma.

 

It's like that clip of the fella on his doorstep getting abuse from a bad scruff. 

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6 minutes ago, Jimmy Hills Chin said:

The free train rides, buses etc. all add to the feeling of not being taken for granted as a supporter. That and the bratwurst.

 

Yeah, match tickets cover transport within the region or further. 

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5 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

 

Have you ever wondered how many Twitter followers Oscar Wilde would have had if he had been born into this generation? All those exquisite one-liners, razor-sharp put-downs, witty assassinations of the bumptious and the bluffers. I thought of something Wilde said when news of Manchester City’s two-year ban from European competition broke on Friday. It came with a warning not to feel too much sympathy for City.

 

In 1889 Wilde wrote an essay called The Decay of Lying: An Observation. It is a conversation between two characters, Vivian and Cyril. At one point, Vivian addresses the central issue. “After all, what is a fine lie? Simply that which is its own evidence. If a man is sufficiently unimaginative to produce evidence in support of a lie, he might just as well speak the truth at once.”

 

In November 2018 the German magazine Der Spiegel, using stolen documents, wrote a series of articles about how Manchester City and Paris Saint-Germain circumvented Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules. As Der Spiegelhad in its possession a multitude of internal emails from Manchester City, its four-part story on the English club offered damning evidence that they had broken the rules.

 

The response from the club was the perfect epitome of Wilde’s “fine lie”. City did not argue that the incriminatory emails were fake but that they had been stolen. Neither did the response address the principal allegation that the owner, Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, was secretly funnelling hundreds of millions into the club, in contravention of FFP regulations.

 

City just battened down the hatches. “The attempt to damage the club’s reputation is organised and clear,” it said in a statement. Without evidence to support its lie, City would indeed have been better off telling the truth from the beginning.

 

Perhaps it was because the case against the club, written in its own emails, was irrefutable. Like confetti, the examples were scattered among Der Spiegel’s four pieces. Chief executive Ferran Soriano returning from a meeting of the European Club Association where it had become clear FFP rules were becoming important: “We will need to fight this and do it in a way that is not visible, or we will be pointed out as the global enemies of football.”

 

The challenge for City was to increase revenue and this was achieved through lucrative sponsorship deals with Abu Dhabi-based companies: the airline Etihad, the investment company Aabar, the telecoms business Etisalat and the Abu Dhabi Tourism Authority. The deals, though, weren’t what they seemed.

 

The annual £15 million from Aabar was just £3 million from the sponsor. Simon Pearce, a board member, explained in an internal communication where the rest came from: “£12 million coming from alternative sources provided by His Highness.” In another email Pearce, responding to a question from the chief financial officer Jorge Chumillas about whether the club could change the date of payments made by sponsors, wrote, “Of course, we can do what we want.”

 

Perhaps emboldened by the brilliance of the team and encouraged by the weak, softly-softly approach taken by Uefa’s general secretary, Gianni Infantino, the club seemed to believe it should be beyond reproach. It threatened Uefa with lawsuits and there is one email that club lawyer Simon Cliff will deeply regret. “1 down, 6 to go,” he wrote to a colleague about the sudden death of former Belgian prime minister Jean-Luc Dehaene, who was leading the investigation into FFR irregularities.

 

Most lovers of fine football never wanted to see this day. “They do play beautiful football, for that you could forgive them everything,” commented a Sunday Times reader in 2018. That may be how we feel in the moment of Kevin De Bruyne’s incisive dribble and pinpoint pass or when Sergio Agüero rifles the ball into the net. In the cold light of the following day, it is not so easy to ignore the lengths to which City went to disguise and misrepresent the sources of their revenue.

 

Justice is not always evenly dispensed. In this case it certainly hasn’t been.

 

Uefa’s Investigatory Chamber considered what went on at PSG , especially around the time the club paid €180 million (about £149 million) for Kylian Mbappé and then, a year later, €222 million (about £184m) for Neymar. Yves Leterme, another former Belgian prime minister, concluded that PSG had not broken FFP rules. Leterme’s report was released on June 18, 2018, four days after the start of the World Cup.

 

Uefa’s adjudicatory committee chairman, Jose Narciso da Cunha Rodrigues, was astonished by Leterme’s exoneration of PSG and tried, unsuccessfully, to initiate a new investigation. “The decision to close the case was manifestly erroneous,” Da Cunha Rodrigues said. It may not have hurt PSG’s case that its president, Nasser al-Khelaifa, is on Uefa’s executive board and is chairman of the beIN Media Group, a major player when it comes to the sale of Uefa’s TV rights.

 

The City story is another version of Saracens in rugby and Team Sky’s rise in cycling. At the beginning there is optimism and idealism, a desire to create an empire that will be successful and admirable. City have done much that is right and made a significant contribution to the regeneration of their part of east Manchester. From the beginning the team set out to play entertaining football and since the coming of Pep Guardiola they have been a joy to watch. So, too, Saracens played great rugby in becoming three-time European champions and they have also done much for the community around them. City under Guardiola, Saracens under Mark McCall and Team Sky under Dave Brailsford created cultures that were the envy of their rivals.
 

Alas, when the time came for proper scrutiny all three cultures were less than they purported to be. The cost of that will not be counted in the millions City will lose from being excluded from the Champions League or in Saracens’ relegation. The true punishment comes in how their victories are remembered. City’s championships, Saracens’ titles, Team Sky’s success at the 2012 Tour de France; they all remain on the books but with asterisks alongside their names.

That is such a well written article. Making a complicated issue easy to understand.

 

The bit about the Belgian PM is as awful as it is damning.

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1 hour ago, Leyton388 said:

Us smashing the league and this city scandal has truly shown just how much the entire country hates out guts.

 

It's just constant fume and bile being directed towards our achievements and trying to undermine us. With the city city scandal every liverpool fan is having Heysel thrown in our faces as we a trying to claim the moral high ground yet the fucking idiots forget that people went to prison and the club took the punishment with no complaints unlike this lot who are owned by some of the biggest human rights abusers in the world and think they can do what they want when it's clear they have broken the rules.

 

I hope more than anything this is the beginning of the end for the utter scumnag club. All 19 other premier League clubs should not only vote to deduct historic points to strip them of the title but also vote to relegate them to league 2. 

 

If I was a chairman of a premier League club I would be pushing for that as they have made a mockery of English football and completely undermined its image. 

 

The years the FA have gone on about corruption in FIFA and all these years it was right under their own nose on their own doorstep makes them look like fools. 

 

Flush the turds back down where they belong. 

You've got to understand their mindset then,you will be a little easier over their jibes.

 

To be fair, clubs like arsenal, chelsea, leicester and even blackburn have done what we havent since 1990 in winning the title. Once or twice we came very close only to be stopped by a team that was ultimately better than us. But, it still means they have one over us in that respect. To them, the fact we've been European Champions twice, World Champions once in that time is irrelevant to them.

 

But, once we win the league and we have won the league, it simply is when the trophy gets presented not if or when, other fans can no longer claim they are superior. United and everton fans are just in denial so it is hardly worth bothering to engage them.

 

The mere fact people can use the deaths of people, never mind 39, to question the length of a ban their club gets says far more about their inadequacies than it does reality.

 

18 minutes ago, an tha said:

Yeah if and when it happens 30 years of waiting released....

 

30 years of jibes, chants at us - shoved back down peoples throats.

 

Never mind how far ahead we are or will be, or it 'lacking drama', or it being inevitable and just a matter of when taking the excitement away blah blah fucking blah....it would be/will be fucking unreal.

 

We deffo took it for granted a bit back when we were winning it regularly, it is only when you stop winning it and wait for so long and endure miseries like 2014 that you realise you really never should, it is special, it is still the ultimate prize as it is 38 games of week in week out grind....and if and when we seal it it will be the biggest party we have seen for many, many a year - maybe ever.

I really cannot believe you're still pushing this if and when we win it. It flies in the face of everything. We used to sing "We're gonna win the league' during December in the 70s and 80s and most of those teams couldnt hold a candle to this one. In fact, I can only recall 2 of our teams in that period that would come close.

 

It's over, 19's in the bag, celebrate it.

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4 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

 

 

I really cannot believe you're still pushing this if and when we win it. It flies in the face of everything. We used to sing "We're gonna win the league' during December in the 70s and 80s and most of those teams couldnt hold a candle to this one. In fact, I can only recall 2 of our teams in that period that would come close.

 

It's over, 19's in the bag, celebrate it.

It is won when it is won.....nothing wrong IMO with taking that view.

 

You want to call it won now, nothing wrong with that either - up to you.

 

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35 minutes ago, niallers said:

And to think that #taintedtitle was being shared by the deplorables of others clubs in respct to us this season. 

How gloriously ironic that,as we all knew, their oil cheating cunt of a club have branded that hashtag for themselves.

And it never really caught on did it. Would love it to catch on being thrown back at them. 

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I don't think the level of bitterness and animosity towards us this year is anything like it was last year. Yeah, there's still the social media cranks crying VAR conspiracy, but I feel as though the wider football public at large have just accepted it for what it is.

 

If it was close and we were in a race to the line with City again like last year, then yeah we'd still be getting all the banter merchants giving it out every game and most would be rooting against us, but the impression I'm getting now is that most fans don't really care anymore because we're so far ahead and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

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2 goals and 4 points lost by us to VAR against Leicester this season. We still have had only one in our favour, when Jonny was fouled by 2 Southampton players in the area, the ref inexplicably didn't give it but VAR did

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Take solace in the fact that its nothing against you and everything to do with Leicester needing and being given a lot of help, yet again as they did when they miraculously won the league.
 
 

Now it's not just us VAR was introduced to protect, but basically anyone but city. The premier league going all out to get massive club Leicester in the CL.  

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5 minutes ago, dave u said:

I don't think the level of bitterness and animosity towards us this year is anything like it was last year. Yeah, there's still the social media cranks crying VAR conspiracy, but I feel as though the wider football public at large have just accepted it for what it is.

 

If it was close and we were in a race to the line with City again like last year, then yeah we'd still be getting all the banter merchants giving it out every game and most would be rooting against us, but the impression I'm getting now is that most fans don't really care anymore because we're so far ahead and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

General animosity no, but the levels of city insanity have gone through the roof in the most hilariously mental way.  

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32 minutes ago, dave u said:

I don't think the level of bitterness and animosity towards us this year is anything like it was last year. Yeah, there's still the social media cranks crying VAR conspiracy, but I feel as though the wider football public at large have just accepted it for what it is.

 

If it was close and we were in a race to the line with City again like last year, then yeah we'd still be getting all the banter merchants giving it out every game and most would be rooting against us, but the impression I'm getting now is that most fans don't really care anymore because we're so far ahead and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

Some down here hate LFC all of a sudden, as I’ve said before all the bollocks about pinching Saints players ,as if it could be them in our place at the top. I say for a neutral you should enjoy watching a very good outfit while you can and to be fair some do , everyone likes to see good football.

The bitterness of some shit you read though on Social Media is absurd, I tend to stay away from it , if and when we do win it through great football I won’t go wild or anything, just a wee smile to myself and think great it’s good to be back.

And as some say it’s a poor league , well at least we’re on top of the shit pile as the saying goes. Fuck em and all that.

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