January 2019 Transfer Thread

[El Rojo]

If we were looking for somebody who has the experience of winning the title in recent years, we could do worse than take a look at Chelsea's forgotten man Danilo Beber-Agua. 

[Thoth]

Interesting read, contains details of the Coutinho transfer

 

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11612738/the-hidden-costs-of-transfers-and-contracts-revealed

 

 

[Wezza]

I know some of you like a net spend article. This is Europe's biggest net spend since 2015 pinched from Footbal365

 

12) Liverpool. Net spend: £142m
There’s a reason why Liverpool have been tipped to break world records for profits; they have spent shedloads of money but have simultaneously eked out maximum cash for the want-aways and the unwanted. Receiving over £35m from Bournemouth for Brad Smith, Jordon Ibe and Dominic Solanke is almost as impressive as persuading Barcelona to part with over £100m for Philippe Coutinho. It’s like some kind of sorcery.

 

11) Bournemouth. Net spend: £151m
They have quietly spent rather a lot of dosh since their promotion, handing over their tenth £10m-plus fee to Brentford for Chris Mepham this week. It all adds up. The problem for Bournemouth is that they’re simply not recouping any money from sales; their only sizeable profit was made by the transfer of Matt Ritchie to Newcastle. So that lack of outgoing movement gives them a net spend far beyond that of mid-table rivals West Ham, Brighton, Leicester and Watford. And marginally more than Liverpool.

 

10) Inter Milan. Net spend: £159m
Their transfer record has stood for nearly 20 years but the sheer volume of players moving in and out of the club boosts their totals. They have spent pretty much the same money as AC Milan over the last four years but have pulled in £20m-plus for Mateo Kovacic and Geoffrey Kondogbia, while selling a whole host of players for £10m or more. If and when they sell Mauro Icardi, they will drop off this list altogether.

 

9) Arsenal. Net spend: £166m
There’s no money left in the pot and it’s little wonder; they have sold players for around 40% of Liverpool’s transfer income over the last four years. In this spell, they have lost Serge Gnabry, Jack Wilshere and Wojciech Szczesny for pennies (with Aaron Ramsey to follow), with a brief respite to get decent money for Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Theo Walcott and Olivier Giroud. Meanwhile, six players have arrived for £20m or more and not a single one of those players is worth considerably more than Arsenal spent on them. When you’re not playing Champions League football, those figures are unsustainable in the long-term.

 

8) Everton. Net spend: £189m
The danger of lurching from manager to manager and philosophy to philosophy is laid bare by Everton actually spending more than Arsenal (and oodles more than Tottenham) over four years of under-achievement. Ten players have arrived for over £20m in four years; four of them started the Toffees’ last game against Southampton, three were on the bench, two are unlikely to play for the club ever again and one has already left – for around half the price. What a sh*tshow.

 

7) Barcelona. Net spend: £194m
Only five clubs across Europe have received more transfer income than selling club Barcelona over the last four years; that’s the Neymar effect. They have spent considerable amounts too – over £100m each on Philippe Coutinho and Ousmane Dembele – but this season, belts have been tightened and the loan signing of Kevin-Prince Boateng is indicative of a new era for the club. They have actually made a transfer profit this season for the first time since 2005/06; they won the title that year too.

 

6) Chelsea. Net spend: £205m
No English club sells players quite like Chelsea, who have actually spent more on transfers since 2015 than Manchester United but sold players for roughly twice as much. Sizeable profits were made on Ramires, Oscar, Diego Costa, Nemanja Matic and Thibaut Courtois, which almost makes you forgive the massive sums spent on Alvaro Morata, Tiemoue Bakayoko, Danny Drinkwater, Davide Zappacosta, Emerson, Michy Batshuayi and Baba Rahman. Poor Maurizio Sarri paid the price for all that waste this summer when they did not back him on Gonzalo Higuain.

 

 

5) Juventus. Net spend: £229m
Only Monaco and Borussia Dortmund have sold players for more money since 2015 than Juventus, with five players leaving the club for over £20m in a spell which has seen them dominate Italian football. Money has of course been spent – most notably on Ronaldo but also on Paulo Dybala and Gonzalo Higuain – but their model is close to that of Chelsea. Big money is spent. Big money is recouped. If they can add the Champions League trophy, this will be an extraordinary success story.

 

4) AC Milan. Net spend: £275m
Even Arsenal are better at recouping money from sales than AC Milan, whose horrendous mismanagement means they have bought badly and sold worse. They spent around £170m at the start of last season on around £50m of players, and have taken sizeable hits on the likes of Carlos Bacca. Spending around £16m to have Gonzalo Higuain for five pretty shoddy months is just about par for the course for a club that has not even played Champions League football in that four-year spell. And they are about to spend more…

 

3) Paris Saint-Germain. Net spend: £335m
Bizarrely, PSG have actually spent less than Chelsea over the last four years despite doling out massive money for both Neymar and Kylian Mbappe. What they haven’t managed to do is sell for big numbers, though profits on Goncalo Guedes, Yuri Berchiche and Serge Aurier suggest they are getting better at this ‘running a business’ lark. And then you remember that Adrien Rabiot will be leaving for free this summer and they have bid little more than £20m for Idrissa Gueye this January and you realise that yes, they’re rubbish at this lark.

 

2) Manchester United. Net spend: £353m
Wow. That is quite some era of underachievement. To only receive £20m or more for two players – Morgan Schneiderlin and Angel di Maria – in four years is almost miraculous. Meanwhile, they have taken big hits on Shinji Kagawa, Di Maria himself, Nani, Robin van Persie and Memphis Depay and bought a grand total of ten players for £20m or more. Of those ten players, four started their last win over Brighton, two were on the bench, one cannot even make the bench and three have been sold. It’s like Everton but with double the money.

 

1) Manchester City. Net spend: £496m
Now that is a lot of money. Despite only having a record transfer of £60m, City have outspent every other European club over the last four years because they have bought a massive 16 players for over £20m. The difference between them and United is that they are actually playing those expensive footballers. Nine of those 16 started against Huddersfield on Sunday while another three were on the bench. Of the remaining quartet, only pre-Pep signings Wilfried Bony and Eliaquim Mangala are out of the picture. Like United, they have struggled to sell for big money – only two players have gone for over £20m in four years – but unlike United, they do have six or seven players they could sell now for a big profit. Not that they need to…

 

 

[Luckyhillkop]

3 hours ago, Thoth said:

Interesting read, contains details of the Coutinho transfer

 

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11612738/the-hidden-costs-of-transfers-and-contracts-revealed

 

 

Barcelona bid for Philippe Coutinho in the summer of 2017 for a headline transfer figure of £118m. Of this, only £82m was reportedly guaranteed, and that was payable in four annual instalments. The remaining £36m fee was contingent on, for example, Barcelona winning the Champions League and the player winning the Ballon d'Or.

[Harry Squatter]

Not sure how accurate this is but if most of these players go, as a lot of them are out of contract. The wage bill will be lower to allow new signings.

 

Lovren and Grujic may stay but most of these are nowhere near the first team and are just picking up wages for hanging around doing nothing or going on permanent loans in weak leagues. 

 

Solanke has gone and Ings will join Southampton after his loan so effectively he is sold. 

 

Lallana           £65K

Solanke          £25K

Milner             £165K

Karius             £25K

Lovren            £90K

Kent                £5K

Moreno          £40K

Mignolet        £60K

Sturridge       £120K

Ings                £60K

Ojo                 £10K

Ejaria             £5K

Clyne             £70K

Origi               £40K

Markovic       £50K

Bogdan          £7K

Chirivella       £5K

Randall          £5K

Grujic             £20K

Allan               £3K

Awoniwi         £3K

Adekanje       £5K  

 

Total              

£878,000 per week

£3,510,000 per month 

£42,144,000 per year

[El Rojo]

3 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:

Not sure how accurate this is but if most of these players go, as a lot of them are out of contract. The wage bill will be lower to allow new signings.

 

Lovren and Grujic may stay but most of these are nowhere near the first team and are just picking up wages for hanging around doing nothing or going on permanent loans in weak leagues. 

 

Solanke has gone and Ings will join Southampton after his loan so effectively he is sold. 

 

Lallana           £65K

Solanke          £25K

Milner             £165K

Karius             £25K

Lovren            £90K

Kent                £5K

Moreno          £40K

Mignolet        £60K

Sturridge       £120K

Ings                £60K

Ojo                 £10K

Ejaria             £5K

Clyne             £70K

Origi               £40K

Markovic       £50K

Bogdan          £7K

Chirivella       £5K

Randall          £5K

Grujic             £20K

Allan               £3K

Awoniwi         £3K

Adekanje       £5K  

 

Total              

£878,000 per week

£3,510,000 per month 

£42,144,000 per year

I demand that you take James Milner out of that list right now.

[Harry Squatter]

Just now, El Rojo said:

I demand that you take James Milner out of that list right now.

If he leaves though. He still hasn't been offered a new contract and may want to go back to Leeds if they get promoted.

[TheHowieLama]

If he does we should still pay him

[El Rojo]

A lot of the duds in that list had hefty fees, Milner was free, so the £165,000 could be looked at as £20m and £65,000 a week over the four years.

 

He's still great value either way. I hope he's still with us next season, with a big 'ol league medal dangling around his neck (not the one he won with Manchester City, that would be uncharacteristic trolling from the great man).

[Harry Squatter]

 

[TheHowieLama]

FINALLY!!!

 

I can't tell you how long I have been biggin this guy up

[Jairzinho]

Incredible signing that. Been following his progress since he was a teenager.

[Remmie]

2 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Incredible signing that. Been following his progress since he was a teenager.

I've been following it since 2 minutes ago 

[El Rojo]

Koumetio?

 

Sounds like a PES name for Coutinho.

[3 Stacks]

14 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:

 

Momo Bouhafsi is reporting it so probably true. 

 

Also, Balotelli is signing for Marseille, which is gonna be an electric situation. 

[Bjornebye]

He is fucking shit, its signings like this that fuck title chances up. Cant head, no pace and picks up too many cards. . . . 

 

 

Who is he? 

 

[Anny Road]

Best prospect I've come across lately. (ie the last 10 mins)

[Anubis]

He's not done anything in a Liverpool shirt to convince me that he's going to make it here. Get rid while we can still get our money back.

[Anny Road]

Can he lean? That's the issue here.

[Harry Squatter]

I hate him and won't set foot inside Anfield until he's sent on 3 successive loans to Nimes, Mouscron and Rio Ave then leaves on a free.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

He’s no Ronald Huth.

[Lee909]

He wasn't on 3 Stacks list of studs, therefore he's shit. 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Lee909 said:

He wasn't on 3 Stacks list of studs, therefore he's shit. 

 

 

Doesn't mean he wouldn't fuck him. Lets wait and see what he says before jumping the gun. 

[Remmie]

32 minutes ago, El Rojo said:

Koumetio?

 

Sounds like a PES name for Coutinho.

Solid recruitment strategy 

[3 Stacks]

14 minutes ago, Lee909 said:

He wasn't on 3 Stacks list of studs, therefore he's shit. 

 

 

He was #16.