VAR Thoughts?

[Barrington Womble]

5 minutes ago, sir roger said:

 

Hawkeye got jibbed for it, they just have a contract for the goalline tech for another year and then gone completely. Cant remember the name of the newbies.

Oh ok. Are they using the same as uefa and FIFA then? I thought they'd chosen not to 

[Scott_M]

16 hours ago, Paulie Dangerously said:

Semi automatic offsides to be introduced this year, but not until October. 

 

I reckon United away is where we'll get a decision against us which will later be shown to be to wrong by the new system. 

It does feel a ridiculous decision. UEFA have used it for 2/3 seasons now, it was just involved in the Euros, clubs use it in the CL…. What’s the fucking hold up?

 

The Premiership asking managers to be less critical of VAR today made me laugh. I hope the managers responded by saying “If VAR is significantly improved, we won’t have to”. 

[Spy Bee]

This sounds like it will cause no controversy whatsoever

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cwy565w52jgt

 

 

[Torvald Utne]

So no reviewing by the ref then, just straight overrule as there'd be no need for a review if there is zero doubt

[VladimirIlyich]

1 hour ago, Spy Bee said:

This sounds like it will cause no controversy whatsoever

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cwy565w52jgt

 

 

This is what they said about VAR in it's introduction. 

[George Costanza]

1 hour ago, VladimirIlyich said:

This is what they said about VAR in it's introduction. 

Yep.  Really if it is an obvious error on the refs part it should only take 1 maybe 2 replays at normal speed to see it.  Fuck off all the multiple replays in slow motion to try and find an infringement. 

[Frank Dacey]

Just seen the penalties in the games at Everton and West Ham. Both were soft decisions but why was one overturned and the other not? There's the inconsistency which is so common with these officials.

[Lee909]

I thought the West Ham one was a pen to be honest. He just about nicks the ball but doesn't clear it and as the West Ham player is turning to get the ball his momentum takes him through the back of him. 

[an tha]

3 hours ago, Frank Dacey said:

Just seen the penalties in the games at Everton and West Ham. Both were soft decisions but why was one overturned and the other not? There's the inconsistency which is so common with these officials.

Haven't seen the west ham one but for me the shite one was 100% the right call to overturn - Lewin stood on the defenders foot.

[Kevin D]

I couldn’t really tell if it was a penalty. Looked it in real time, but the replays weren’t convincing or conclusive.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 17/08/2024 at 21:53, Frank Dacey said:

Just seen the penalties in the games at Everton and West Ham. Both were soft decisions but why was one overturned and the other not? There's the inconsistency which is so common with these officials.

What @Lee909 and @an tha said: one was overturned because it wasn't a foul, the other one was given because it was.  Nothing inconsistent there.  Both were actually cases of VAR working correctly.

[Barrington Womble]

On 17/08/2024 at 21:53, Frank Dacey said:

Just seen the penalties in the games at Everton and West Ham. Both were soft decisions but why was one overturned and the other not? There's the inconsistency which is so common with these officials.

 

The thing with that DCL one, he clearly stood on the defender, but the defender was lying on the floor. I don't believe it was a penalty and should never have been given on the pitch. But I think based on how they reffed it last season it wouldn't/shouldn't be overturned and they've supposedly raised the bar on that now. 

 

The thing here is as fans we probably want the right footballing decision ( as @an tha points out, this is the right footballing decision). But I don't believe it's a right VAR decision. The decision wasn't wrong without any doubt at all. I can see why it could be deemed a pen because of what Dunk is doing on the floor. I also think we believe because they have TV, they have no excuse for not getting it right. Except this is not the job. 

 

And this is why VAR is shite. It doesn't get us more right decisions because it's aim isn't getting more decisions right. Just about every decision is subjective, so we'll never agree on all of it. Throw in referee incompetence, clear & obvious, then they go and mark their own homework, it's a recipe for disaster and without doubt again this season we'll be complaining 50% of weekends that most of the games were spoilt or decided by bad ref or VAR. It's fucking exhausting. 

 

 

[VladimirIlyich]

Whoever PGMOL's agent was who said to the PL 'My clients aren't getting the publicity or recognition they deserve' has certainly earned their seat on the gravy train.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

[Barrington Womble]

it hasn't been mentioned, maybe because of the result or maybe because we accept VAR offside as black or white, but I didn't think that first "goal" was offside, unless they've changed the rules. i thought it needed to be a forward pass and I don't think the pass to salah was forward it was either sideways or back. he is certainly advance of the ball and in an offside position should the ball be played forward, I just don't think it was. and i definitely don't think it was a black and white decision, it should have at least be marked as subjective and the referee allowed to look at it.  

[No2]

41 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

it hasn't been mentioned, maybe because of the result or maybe because we accept VAR offside as black or white, but I didn't think that first "goal" was offside, unless they've changed the rules. i thought it needed to be a forward pass and I don't think the pass to salah was forward it was either sideways or back. he is certainly advance of the ball and in an offside position should the ball be played forward, I just don't think it was. and i definitely don't think it was a black and white decision, it should have at least be marked as subjective and the referee allowed to look at it.  

It doesn't have to be a forward pass, it's never needed to be. 

[TheHowieLama]

Nearer opponents goal than both the 2nd last defender and the ball is offside.

 

By definition that would make it a forward pass wouldn't it?

 

 

 

 

[Barrington Womble]

29 minutes ago, No2 said:

It doesn't have to be a forward pass, it's never needed to be. 

Really? I've always thought it needed to be a forward pass. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

20 minutes ago, No2 said:

It doesn't have to be a forward pass, it's never needed to be. 

Stronts said this on the match thread. How have I always understood that it only applies to forward passes?

 

What about the Cruyff "indirect penalty" routine?  That would be clearly disallowed if offside applied to reverse or level passes.

[No2]

It's rare enough but it does happen, generally around short corners and time wasting free kicks. The taker will roll it backwards and the attacker will run on to it from beyond the taker.

[VladimirIlyich]

18 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Stronts said this on the match thread. How have I always understood that it only applies to forward passes?

 

What about the Cruyff "indirect penalty" routine?  That would be clearly disallowed if offside applied to reverse or level passes.

No because the other player was behind the ball and not nearer the goal line than the second last defender. I also think the problem with the Trent goal was that Mo touched the ball so was interfering with play. Without a touch it may well have stood. Although at OT I doubt it.

[Scooby Dudek]

Just watched extended highlights and in relation to our non penalty. Whilst for me it wasn't a foul thr ref clearly shows he is playing an advantage for a foul against Gakpo. Reply shows the foul was inside the box, the line is inside, how VAR can not look and inform the ref of this is once again a joke. 

[VladimirIlyich]

This is pretty good. The way the French refs talk to the players seems much better than the English ones.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFD49XPKwaA

 

[VladimirIlyich]

On 02/09/2024 at 14:09, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Stronts said this on the match thread. How have I always understood that it only applies to forward passes?

 

What about the Cruyff "indirect penalty" routine?  That would be clearly disallowed if offside applied to reverse or level passes.

No as the other player,Jesper Olsen was behind the ball. He was on the edge of the area behind the taker,Cruyff,when he played the penalty pass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sEk61PRlFs

[Vincent Vega]

What was with the bullshit camera angle used for the VAR decision for Arsenal’s second goal? It was hardly looking along the line. The angle used made it look like Virgil played them on, but I would have preferred to see that decision made from an angle looking across the line instead of about 10 yards back.

 

It was the same for the angle used to judge the Isak goal against Chelsea, a really shit angle behind the play.