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15 minutes ago, niallers said:

There's also A LOT more money involved in the Premier league. A decision that takes 5 mins to get right is far more valuable to the bottom clubs whose stay in the division could be dependant on it. Look at villa 2 seasons back when the ball crossed the line and a goal wasn't given. I know it was goal line tech at fault that day, but had var decided to look at it, that extra 2mins would've relegated villa and saved Bournemouth. Look at them now! The club chairmen don't give a fuck if we can't celebrate if it keeps the money rolling in

 

I don't get this line of thinking that says all subsequent events would've remained the same even if this one instance changes.

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10 minutes ago, Trumo said:

 

I don't get this line of thinking that says all subsequent events would've remained the same even if this one instance changes.

That's because it's bollocks 

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Exhibit A - Peter Walton.

 

This is the type of guy that PGMOL (or whatever they are called) like to recruit.

He is clearly a yes-man. He isn't selected because he'll think for himself. He's selected because he'll blindly do what his bosses say.

 

This is the type of person they want for their officials.

 

They don't want people with acumen. People who can take in data and interpret it. They want people who will do what they say. Even if it is bad for footy.

 

Think about it. Let's say that your doing your job, and something unexpected happens. You make a decision in the heat of the moment. You aren't 100% and it's playing on your mind.

Luckily, you have the benefit of a recording of the event. Right on tap. On a screen near you. In this situation, you'd go to the screen. See if happened the way YOU thought it did and make sure that your decision reflected this new info.

 

Now reflect on how many times a ref has actually gone to the on field cam. Studied it in detail. Taken their time.

 

Conversely ..how many times they have let someone else make that call for them.

 

Weak minded fools.

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Sugar Ape said:

 

 

 

Sounds good on the face of it - let's see how the offside works in our games. Or indeed how many 'staying on your feet' penalties Mané will get.

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It’s a definite step in the right direction- not making the refs and VAR the centre of attention is a good.

There’s no doubt in the Euros and Champions league they operate the VAR better & more efficiently. 

These changes mean the premier league realise they need to improve what a shit show they made last season of it.

Ultimately if it means fans can celebrate goals more happy days. 

 

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Yet another Blazer Brigade initiative that will probably last about a fortnight until a mega rich club is hard done by and will then disappear again. As Dockers said,the same incompetents are still in charge therefore it's hard to believe much positivity will actually happen.

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8 hours ago, Mark M said:

It’s a definite step in the right direction- not making the refs and VAR the centre of attention is a good.

There’s no doubt in the Euros and Champions league they operate the VAR better & more efficiently. 

These changes mean the premier league realise they need to improve what a shit show they made last season of it.

Ultimately if it means fans can celebrate goals more happy days. 

 

Let's hope so , but tbf Riley made a decent point in that there were 8 VAR on each game at the euros and 3 in our domestic games , so decisions will still be slower.

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Just now, sir roger said:

Let's hope so , but tbf Riley made a decent point in that there were 8 VAR on each game at the euros and 3 in our domestic games , so decisions will still be slower.

True. I do think though it’s about a fundamental shift in the approach to the match. The English VAR officials seem to want to be part of the game and actively want to interfere when refs have seen something and waved play on.

 

if the new approach is to let the game flow and only interfere when asked by the on field ref that should be an improvement straight away. 

take the penalty given against Robbo in the last minute against Brighton the ref on the day was right beside the challenge & waved play on as he knew in real time it wasn’t a foul.

The ref doing the VAR just wanted to get involved and replayed the moment in ultra slow motion showing the faintest of contact & advised the ref to give a pen.
that type of decision doesn’t seem to happen in Europe & I’ll be hopeful it will happen very little next season. 

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This will fail to pieces within the first weekend of football and continue being a mess throughout until the incompetent cunts are no longer reffing games.

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Lots of nice aspirations from Mike Riley but as long as David Coote and his ilk are doing the reviewing, VAR will be a shit show. This is the crux of the matter. Leaving aside the beef Liverpool fans have with him, this is the dipstick who thought that, when Lo Celso stamped on Azpilicueta in the Chelsea-Spurs match a couple of years back, it was "Not a clear and obvious error and there was nowhere else for Lo Celso to put his foot." To make matters worse, his boss said that "David is a very good referee" when there is abundant evidence that he is not (see also: the reason Liverpool fans have beef with him). Garbage in, garbage out? Good data in, garbage computer, garbage out.

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10 hours ago, Sugar Ape said:

 

 

 

Our refs are chimps led by chimps.

 

They'll still fuck this up.

 

They recruit people like Peter Walton.

 

Make no mistake they'll still manage to ruin football.

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Nice in theory. In practice I expect that somehow or other we'll end up suffering most from the new initiative. 

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41 minutes ago, aws said:

Nice in theory. In practice I expect that somehow or other we'll end up suffering most from the new initiative. 

Whilst at the same time be accused of benefitting most. Schrodinger's VAR.

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57 minutes ago, aws said:

Nice in theory. In practice I expect that somehow or other we'll end up suffering most from the new initiative. 

You just know Salah or Mane will get booted in the head and with blood pooring out but they will say he still could have got his shot away to score

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VAR brought in for offsides on the basis that a player was or wasn't offside even by the smallest of margins. Drawing wider lines is moving the deck chairs as there will still be endless controversy over whether player was just over or just behind the wider line . Cut to the chase and the the real change is that we wont see the lines on screen any more so wont be able to scrutinise their fuck ups.  As for pens and the degree of contact required then good luck with that , Flawed as it players do generally understand the risks they take tackling in the box but now we are going to get arguments and inconsistencies again about how much contact is allowed .

 

The only benefit I can see is that it might speed up the games a little but it won't make it any fairer or consistent.

 

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Same shite officials making the decisions will just lead to the same inconsistency and ultimately same clusterfuck.

 

You'll see Salah get brought down and a ref say it was not enough to be a foul and same day Kane will go down under an identical situation and and a ref will give a pen....and you'll see a player fall over under less of a challenge and get one.

 

Until they improve the standard of the officials all the tweaks to the rules and their supposed interpretation will mean nothing really...just same old shite in a different wrapper.

 

 

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15 hours ago, dockers_strike said:

Mike Riley is still in charge of the refs and Lee Mason is now permanently on VAR. Dont get your hopes up!

Fuckin right. Those 2 useless cunts have an unerring capacity to fuck things up.

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Contact is no longer enough, extent of contact will be considered. Once again another variable placed into the hands of a large proportion of incompetent fuckwits.

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