Firmino Racism Allegations

[Red74]

Does anyone know if they shook hands with each other at the end of the match?

[Stickman]

Hades Just has a massive problem with Brazilians. He’s a very Xenophobic man.

He's nuts about them

[Rex Banner]

Holgate is a twat but no way should he get in trouble for the twitter stuff. It's Political correctness run amuck!

The language policing that goes on today is so over the top.

[Jockey]

Well Firmino is being let of the leash by Liverpool with the Echo reporting his comments about Coutinho leaving - I wonder if this is a clue as to what the outcome is? 

 

Surely if there was a possibility that he was being charged he would be told to shut up and no interviews would be allowed? 

 

Or am I reading too much into that? 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Well Firmino is being let of the leash by Liverpool with the Echo reporting his comments about Coutinho leaving - I wonder if this is a clue as to what the outcome is? 

 

Surely if there was a possibility that he was being charged he would be told to shut up and no interviews would be allowed? 

 

Or am I reading too much into that?

 

Should be ok as long as he doesn't say something like " don't know why Phil went to those Paella eating Catalan cunts "

[RobbieOR]

He posted it on Instagram. 

 

I'd imagine the opposite would be true if thats the case. 

[Denny Crane]

Well Firmino is being let of the leash by Liverpool with the Echo reporting his comments about Coutinho leaving - I wonder if this is a clue as to what the outcome is? 

 

Surely if there was a possibility that he was being charged he would be told to shut up and no interviews would be allowed? 

 

Or am I reading too much into that?

 

"Livepool no longer the same without you". I read it as a transfer request.

[sh#t waffle]

Maybe he's saying Liverpool is better now there's one less foreign living there?

[Denny Crane]

There is a difference between mishearing something in a crowd of 50k in a heated environment and a blatant false allegation. My gut instinct was the player reacted to what he thought was said. He made the ref aware which seems to be the protocol.

 

I then thought a person of colour from England would see Firmino as a black man so it seemed odd he would fabricate anything race related or even come to that conclusion. I suppose if you view it from the angle of footballers cheating constantly to gain an advantage then it becomes easier to hold the view it is a fabrication. I think that is what most on here are arguing but seems strange. As there is not exactly an epidemic of players making up racism claims to avoid bookings or sendingoffs.

 

 

I totally agree making an allegation of racism is a serious matter and it can have severe consequences on an innocent party. But what is the person who thinks they have been abused supposed to do. Conduct interviews with all parties around them to collate evidence before contacting the ref.

[The Guest]

He doesn’t score enough goals and he isn’t flash enough (I’m not talking about his dress sense) for any of the clubs bigger than us to want him. He’s worth as much as Coutinho is to this team in my opinion but I very much doubt Barca or anyone else would pay 140m to prise him away.

[razor]

Oldham.

Tom Adeyemi.

 

Lest we forget, the reaction of the Daily Mail was to hang, draw and quarter the whole of Liverpool - the club, the players, the people.

 

And, the piece de resistance came from that old ham Patrick Collins:

 

The insult seemed to strike Tom Adeyemi with the force of a sniper's bullet. He froze, then strode back to the byline from where the jibe had come; an isolated figure staring into a sea of hostile faces. He made a brief, helpless gesture, then he turned away again, the tears spilling down his face.  And in those deeply disturbing moments, the ugliness of racism confronted the people who control Liverpool Football Club.

 

Always worth a re-read that.

 

There was also another article which tenuously linked the "racist abuse" to the Stephen Lawrence case - to big themselves up (and deny their own racist position).

 

There was yet another article that just used Twitter users' comments to say what the Daily Mail wanted to say, along the lines of "they're all racists up there" / "scum fans" etc etc.

 

Quality stuff.

 

(The number of articles covering the FACTS of the case were, of course, not quite as numerous.  And I was really looking forward to Collins' cod-prose musings on the outcome...)

[3 Stacks]

Unrelated to the racism allegations, but I love these "he was 15 when he tweeted those awful things, that's just what 15 year old's do" defense for the homophobic tweets. Facebook and Twitter were around when I was 15 and I never even came close to posting slurs. I don't know anyone else who has either. This isn't such a common thing. He's just a dick.

[liverpoolsno9]

Unrelated to the racism allegations, but I love these "he was 15 when he tweeted those awful things, that's just what 15 year old's do" defense for the homophobic tweets. Facebook and Twitter were around when I was 15 and I never even came close to posting slurs. I don't know anyone else who has either. This isn't such a common thing. He's just a dick.

15 year olds call each other names, it’s immaturity and is not deserving of some sort of ban years later IMO. He is a knob though

[3 Stacks]

15 year olds call each other names, it’s immaturity and is not deserving of some sort of ban years later IMO. He is a knob though

 

Didn't say it deserves a ban. But citing his age is a bad defense, and it's insulting to the majority of teenagers who are smart enough not to post stuff like this. It's not like he was 8 years old playing with his dad's Ipad, you know what you're doing at 15. 

[Lee909]

He was 16 going on 17 wasn't he?

 

Also as a highly regarded academy player they surely would have been telling them to watch comments on social media

[SasaS]

Unrelated to the racism allegations, but I love these "he was 15 when he tweeted those awful things, that's just what 15 year old's do" defense for the homophobic tweets. Facebook and Twitter were around when I was 15 and I never even came close to posting slurs. I don't know anyone else who has either. This isn't such a common thing. He's just a dick.

 

 

You are so young then. Probably too young to be around this forum 10 to 15 years ago, when it was much, much more homophobic and sexist than today. Sensitivities and boundaries change over time. What is unacceptable now may be just poor taste 5 or 10 years ago.

[The Guest]

The 15 thing is coming from the Ev fans. The tweets I’ve seen are dated June and July 2013 when he was 16. If he’s done them then I’m guessing there are probably others which are when he was younger. When they use those instead it is for no other reason than to try and change the narrative. Proven further that there are some saying he was 12/13/14 etc.

 

Either way he’s a kid and I think if you never called your mates a “fag” at that age you’re a better man than me or lying. It’s not right like and it’s societies problem. It’s not going to be solved by banning Holgate and like most lads I doubt he has the same level of homophobia he did when he was that age.

 

The FA are stuck though. By banning him it will set an example that this isn’t acceptable whatever age you are which is right of course. If you’re a young lad dishing out homophobic abuse whether it’s banter or not to your mates you can be held accountable for it.

[Lee909]

Thing is if he had signed a deal with Barnsley at 16 dont think the FA can ignore it. They did Andre Gray for historic post. If he was a pro think they have to look at it.

[ZonkoVille77]

When is the result of the FA's xenophobic discussion on this matter expected to be released?

 

I'm sure they will look at our fixture list to see when they can ban him at the worst time possible for us. It's how they roll. 

[Dave D]

I bet Holgate wears skinny jeans

[sybian]

What hasen't been mentioned a lot is Holgates push on the ref, I wonder what the FA are going to do about that.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

A lot of them on GOT are tying themselves in knots after Moshiri's comments. 

 

Firminho is a fucking racist bell end despite no evidence thus far, just basing his guilt on Holgate's reaction. 

 

Moshiri's comments are not racist, It's just the PC World gone mad, hijacked by Snowflakes claiming everything is racist. 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Comments that possibly/probably were never made against comments that were definately made and recorded and probably laughed at and applauded knowing them.

 

Their world is one I'd never like to inhabit. But we all have to occasionally.

[Joey8FrogsLegs]

What hasen't been mentioned a lot is Holgates push on the ref, I wonder what the FA are going to do about that.

I dont wonder about it.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Comments that possibly/probably were never made against comments that were definately made and recorded and probably laughed at and applauded knowing them.

 

Their world is one I'd never like to inhabit. But we all have to occasionally.

 

It's just plain stupidity Mike. I guarantee that quite a few of those calling Bobby out for being a racist are fucking racist themselves. They just want to see him get a ban because he plays for us. Reading the shite they are spouting about Moshiri's comments would be pure comedy gold if it wasn't for the serious nature of it all.