Firmino Racism Allegations

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

Because you are found guilty or innocent of a crime you are charged with. Firmino wasn't even charged.

[magicrat]

Andy Dunn of the Daily Mirror has it spot on.

 

The FA statement announcing the findings of the RF/ MH incident probably had to be delicate.

 

' Having considered all of the available evidence we consider it not to raise a charge '

 

What about simply saying Firmino is innocent , which the inquiry has found him to be .

 

If he had not been charged and tried how could he be innocent or guilty ? Its like the CPS finding insufficient evidence to charge a suspect.  I would accept the FA should have made it clearer and explained this important nuance

[sir roger]

There seemed to be a surfeit of evidence pointing one way & only one man's hearing pointing the other way.

 

I understand the sensitivities around wanting people to feel confident to come forward with allegations , but in view of the weight of evidence I would have found their statement underwhelming if I was Bobby & subsequently hearing they deliberately removed a sentence which reflected this is a tad worrying.

[magicrat]

There seemed to be a surfeit of evidence pointing one way & only one man's hearing pointing the other way.

 

I understand the sensitivities around wanting people to feel confident to come forward with allegations , but in view of the weight of evidence I would have found their statement underwhelming if I was Bobby & subsequently hearing they deliberately removed a sentence which reflected this is a tad worrying.

This time I genuinely believe there was no sub-plot or hidden agenda with the FA,  I agree with you their statement could have a been better but I guess their objective was to get it off their plate quietly without pissing off too many people once it was clear there was no case to answer, 

[Rex Banner]

They are so scared to look like they don't take racism seriously in this overly PC age (and the UK is probably the worst perpetrators of this bullshit these days) that even when the allegations are obviously false they are too scared to say that the allegations have no merit so saying "there was insufficient evidence and we believe they were made in good conscience" and dragging it on for ridiculously longer than necessary is a way of placating to the overly sensitive types just looking for something to fight against. 

 

It's so ridiculous. The "R word" is the new scarlet letter. 

[TheHowieLama]

Yep - redneck is racist.

[thegreatelephant]

the Paid in Full posse are doing it with the 'R'

[El Rojo]

For me, the language in the statement is more concerned with not offending the accuser as opposed to not offending the accused.

 

Would somebody mind explaining what happened with the missing line? Was it originally part of the online statement and later deleted?

[Anubis]

I suspect it was in the version emailed to sports journalists but removed from the online version.

[El Rojo]

I suspect it was in the version emailed to sports journalists but removed from the online version.

Cheers.

[Elite]

Can this thread not be banished now. Even having Racism Allegations in the title does the guy a disservice. Stick to the Firmino thread and let's all praise his brilliance and beautiful teeth.

[magicrat]

Can this thread not be banished now. Even having Racism Allegations in the title does the guy a disservice. Stick to the Firmino thread and let's all praise his brilliance and beautiful teeth.

 

Where will the GOT watchers post all the Bitter bollocks idiots post over there ?

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

Just nipped over to the bobby thread on GOT. Fuck. Ing. Hell.

 

Delusional.

[Elite]

Where will the GOT watchers post all the Bitter bollocks idiots post over there ?

They aren't worth a second thought, let their bile consume their own deluded brains.

[El Dangerous]

Just nipped over to the bobby thread on GOT. Fuck. Ing. Hell.

 

Delusional.

RACIST!

[Jennings]

Just nipped over to the bobby thread on GOT. Fuck. Ing. Hell.

 

Delusional.

 

That Dabluuez guy made some good points but the mob grabbed their pitchforks and torches.

[KMD7]

That Dabluuez guy made some good points but the mob grabbed their pitchforks and torches.

Accused him of being a red, standard retort to anyone on there trying to speak sense on the subject

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

They're acting as if they were just missing that one tiny little piece of evidence to convict the murderer, when in fact the only fucking evidence at all was holgates testimony. Weirdos.

[Elite]

The bitters will no doubt be sending letters to the producers of 'Making of a Murderer' to make a documentary of this perceived injustice.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Just nipped over to the bobby thread on GOT. Fuck. Ing. Hell.

 

Delusional.

Or thick?

 

Particularly that Davek one.

 

He's clinging to the "insufficient evidence" line, thinking it means there was something that showed Firmino to have been racist, but that there was more evidence that didn't or left the case open.

 

He's completely misunderstood the process involved. He's making out like Firmino has got off on a technicality. Nonsense. It didn't even get that far. There was simply no case to answer. That's why he wasn't even charged. If there was even a hint that Firmino had used racist language, given the FA's low standard of proof and their infamous "sliding scale" from the Suarez case, then they would've brought a charge.

 

And, the reason why thick Davek has reached his conclusions is because he doesn't understand that evidence is a word AND a distinct legal term and that "evidence" in a legal context doesn't mean proof, substantiation, corroboration etc.

 

The FA didn't say that there was "no evidence" because that wasn't the case. Holgate's statement is evidence. His responses to any questioning on his statement is evidence. I've advocated in court a few times and in cases I've won the judge/the other side asked the appellant "do you wish to submit your statement as evidence."

 

By winning the case, it often means that the judge didn't believe the apellants evidence. But. It's. Still. Fucking. Evidence.

 

You can face criminal culpability for giving false evidence. It's. Still. Evidence. If. It's. Not. True. Or. Accurate.

 

I doubt we'll get more published from the FA so as to explain why they didn't charge Firmino. It's not usual for such reasoning to be published. But, it very much looks like a case of it being Holgate's "evidence" against everybody else's, including his own team mates, and that Firmino is entirely innocent.

[Pureblood]

You can't trust someone on the internet called "Dave", especially if they add the first letter of their surname afterwards.  Red flag. 

[magicrat]

You can't trust someone on the internet called "Dave", especially if they add the first letter of their surname afterwards.  Red flag. 

 

Pity he wasn't called Dale 

 

Exterminate

[razor]

I can't accept that. It's inconceivable that Mike Phelan could be so pissy.

 

 

That Manc is the most Manc looking Manc I have ever seen.

 

He's the perfect visual definition.  Moustache optional (depending on which era he's a decade behind).

[The Golden Eel]

Or thick?

 

Particularly that Davek one.

 

 

He's got that really unpleasant mix of being extremely stupid while simultaneously thinking he's cleverer than everyone else. Absolute loon.

[dockers_strike]

Accused him of being a red, standard retort to anyone on there trying to speak sense on the subject

 

I had some one on here accuse me of being a blue recently because they personally did not like what I had posted. Intollerance is not limited to some blue bellwhiffs.