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Will maligned trio ever win the trust of supporters? - by Jason Harris

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The below re-enactment has played out all too many times over the years for the Reds.

 

'A mistake by Dejan Lovren consigned Liverpool to a 2-1 defeat against (insert team name) at the (insert venue).'

 

'However in this same match, Roberto Firmino, Philippe Coutinho and Mo Salah missed a hatful of chances between them enough to win three games.

 

So what is the bigger headline and additionally what frustrates a fan more; the error prone defender making another mistake, or the star attacking players whose job it is to put the ball in the back of the net being wasteful in front of goal?

 

After all they both equate to the same thing don't they?

 

In reality the answer is no, as the reputation of the individual has a fair bit to do with it.

 

Coutinho, Firmino and Salah have won a fair few games in their time at the Reds, so they have a lot of credits in the bank.

 

While to be honest, it has been more miss than hit for the Croatian, and he has a couple of other teammates in the same boat in Simon Mignolet and Alberto Moreno.

 

When discussing the trio with fellow fans, you don’t get a sign of optimism that they have a next level to go to.

 

When they actually produce an impressive performance, you then get the reaction of 'well that was what he is supposed to do anyway.'

 

Don't get me wrong, I've had many moments of angst with each of them, but I personally have a great level of intrigue to see if they can win a level of trust in the overall mind of the supporters.

 

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Now, this is not just a Liverpool thing either, every club would have a player or two that drives supporters to despair, but that is one of the glorious things about this great game. You go through a level of emotions, just like you would with matters in everyday life.

 

Hypothetically speaking, just imagine that this trio were able to strike a sustained run of good form.

 

Lovren marshalling the back four with aplomb, winning every aerial ball and showing the footballing world that he can handle the pressure of playing for a big club once and for all.

 

Mignolet managing to command his area with a great deal of authority, giving confidence to his back four in the process.

 

And Moreno growing in his defensive nous and cutting out the silly areas which has plagued his game.

 

A bit of a crazy theory you may think?

 

However, it would be absolutely fascinating to see the reaction to this kind of upturn in form.

 

Would they be finally appreciated and accepted, or will they forever be thought of as being one mistake away from reverting to bad habits?

 

In this regard, we actually have seen a case study with Moreno this season

 

The Spaniard was winning back a deal of faith after some encouraging performances early in the season, seeing off competition from new signing Andy Robertson in the process, as well as being called up by his national side after a long absence.

 

However it only took one bad half against his old club Sevilla in the Champions League, for the scepticism to return in spades, leading us to question whether what we had witnessed beforehand was too good to be true.

 

It led Jurgen Klopp to say "He's not the player to blame. I am 100% responsible. I told him I still trust him 100%."

 

While it might seem frustrating for those who want to see the trio dispatched for good, the German manager should be commended in his loyalty to these individuals as it would be very easy to cast them aside as they have been repeat offenders.

 

He has looked to give them confidence with his actions and words and make them the best players they can be.

 

In the modern age, footballers have a fair bit more to deal with than what might be said by members of the crowd on matchdays, as the various social media platforms can have a sinister undertone.

 

The interaction between players and fans can be a positive thing when it is good natured banter, but when it turns highly personal like what happened to Lovren after the Tottenham defeat when his family were threatened, then that is a completely different story altogether.

 

You get a sense that the unsavoury abuse and unflattering column inches that some of the squad get strengthens Klopp's resolve towards them.

 

He takes the role of a 'protective parent,' and one of his quotes stands out when he said ''people don't become a better or a worse person through making a mistake in a football game.''

 

It raises a great point, as there can't be a comparison made between the footballer and the individual.

 

In terms of correcting faults in a football sense, it certainly is up to the individual to take it upon themselves to improve and if they consistently neglect their weaknesses it is certainly time they get moved on.

 

I think it would be wrong to assume that fans do not want certain players to perform well even if they personally do not like or have a level of distrust in their performances.

 

It has to be said that they deserve to be wholeheartedly praised for their good games just as they should be called to account for their bad performances.

 

However, you suspect that these three players have a long, long way to go to win the hearts and trust of the greater supporter base.

 

If they do what is asked of consistently and stick to the basics, then that is a major step in the right direction.

 

Anything else will be one hell of a bonus.

 

Jason Harris

@JayHarry80



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Moreno's the only one whose ever shown a prolonged spell of good form and he's changed my mind on him, so maybe.  I'd still prefer a better left back but more than happy to see him line up for us now.

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Moreno can have a future here; I think Mignolet and Lovren are too far gone, although if Lovren can consistently keep up his recent form (I know, I know) then he could conceivably be our 3rd/4th choice for a couple of years.

 

Mignolet needs to be replaced, I don’t think we’ll ever be totally comfortable at the back with him in goal. I’d like to see Karius given an extended run and if that doesn’t work, buy a keeper at the earliest convenience.

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Moreno's the only one whose ever shown a prolonged spell of good form and he's changed my mind on him, so maybe.  I'd still prefer a better left back but more than happy to see him line up for us now.

And Moreno then lost his head completely and cost us the win against Sevilla. Like the other two clowns they have a period of decent form but they ALWAYS end up letting us down. 

I really can't wait to see the back of all 3 of them.

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Mignolet has had a good season overall, but I still don’t think he’s good enough to be a starting goalie for us. Ward might be, so it’s tempting to give him a go.. but it wouldn’t be fair on Mignolet to drop him now.

 

Moreno I’d keep. Sevilla game aside he has been flawless. Maybe bring someone better than Robertson to properly challenge him.

 

Lovren isn’t a worse defender than our other centre halfs IMO, but again none of them are good enough to be starting for a club challenging for titles. His turnaround since the Spurs game has been commendable, credit to him. Especially after the abuse and death threats he and his family received from our own ‘fans’. It wouldn’t have been easy for him. It was a terrible game but he did play against arguably the best no 9 in the world at the moment in Harry Kane... I suppose it happens to every centre half from time to time. Hyypia put in one of the worst games I’ve seen from any centre half against Chelsea when Drogba destroyed him.. and Hyypia probably was the best defender we’ve had in the last twenty years. Nemanja Vidic who was arguably the best centre half in the world at the time, got his arse handed to him by Fernando Torres... got sent off twice in a season against us was it? So yeah... it happens.. but his reaction has been real good.

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they will have the trust of some. as is the nature of the dedicated internet contrarian, with obligatory total unwillingness to stare repeated facts in the face

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I would be happy to see any or all of them replaced , but what sticks in the craw is that all three are acknowledged as good professionals & seem decent people, yet the level of vitriol from our supposed fans who seemingly  revel in calling our players Cowards / Gobshites / Tw**s  and C**ts is unbelievable & often seem disappointed if the offending trio actually play well. I would suggest the aforementioned descriptions rest more easily with the fans involved than the trio of players. Klopp must feel he was sold a pup with the best fans in the world.

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Lovren and Moreno both go to bits when they make a mistake and its more than a one time thing. Neither Lovren or Moreno have got any 'money in the bank' from previous performances because neither have ever been more than competent defenders at best. I knew little of Lovren before we signed him but once we did I've never understood why. Same goes for Moreno.

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They’re damaged goods. They will, if not all together, but individually have numerous more fuck ups that will cost us goals/points until moved on. Our defence over the past 4 years has been woeful, they are a constant in that period.

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I would be happy to see any or all of them replaced , but what sticks in the craw is that all three are acknowledged as good professionals & seem decent people, yet the level of vitriol from our supposed fans who seemingly  revel in calling our players Cowards / Gobshites / Tw**s  and C**ts is unbelievable & often seem disappointed if the offending trio actually play well. I would suggest the aforementioned descriptions rest more easily with the fans involved than the trio of players. Klopp must feel he was sold a pup with the best fans in the world.

 

Oh oh ohh We've got the worst fans in world!

FrenchEyeGlass, eeyore, 3 Stacks and Skaroo!!

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