Transgender stuff - what's going on?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, johnsusername said:

Surely a more traditional Mr, Mrs, Miss or Ms prefix would do the same job? 

 

Less virtue signalling, though, which I guess is the point. 

I got an email from someone with their pronouns after their signature and a clickable link that said "Why is this here"

Here's the link.

https://medium.com/gender-inclusivit/why-i-put-pronouns-on-my-email-signature-and-linkedin-profile-and-you-should-too-d3dc942c8743

 

I like the fact that it invites people to think about stuff rather than assuming that it's just attention-seeking, woke bullshit.  (Obviously, once they've thought about it, they might still think it's attention seeking woke bullshit, but at least that's now an informed opinion.)

[SasaS]

23 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I got an email from someone with their pronouns after their signature and a clickable link that said "Why is this here"

Here's the link.

https://medium.com/gender-inclusivit/why-i-put-pronouns-on-my-email-signature-and-linkedin-profile-and-you-should-too-d3dc942c8743

 

I like the fact that it invites people to think about stuff rather than assuming that it's just attention-seeking, woke bullshit.  (Obviously, once they've thought about it, they might still think it's attention seeking woke bullshit, but at least that's now an informed opinion.)

 

The problem isn't the "why I do it" part but the "you should too" one.

[Strontium]

People can put whatever they want on their signature, and I can draw whatever conclusions I like from it, regardless of whether they're signing off with White Power 4Ever!, BREXIT MEANS BREXIT, or Fae/Faer/Faeself.

[ZonkoVille77]

37 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I got an email from someone with their pronouns after their signature and a clickable link that said "Why is this here"

Here's the link.

https://medium.com/gender-inclusivit/why-i-put-pronouns-on-my-email-signature-and-linkedin-profile-and-you-should-too-d3dc942c8743

 

I like the fact that it invites people to think about stuff rather than assuming that it's just attention-seeking, woke bullshit.  (Obviously, once they've thought about it, they might still think it's attention seeking woke bullshit, but at least that's now an informed opinion.)

 

Yea, that article is passive-aggressive bollocks. I'll never be a fan of people dictating what we should or shouldn't do...

 

I just can't see why Trans etc people need to have **anything** as a pronoun. They should be comfortable with who they are without having to put pronouns beside their name? It's their choice to identify as whatever they want so why broadcast it via pronouns if it isn't for attention seeking purposes? If someone gives me a good reason I'm willing to digest it and possibly change my view. **Straight** people doing it is 100% for attention seeking, virtue signalling, 'woke' (I hate that fucking term) purposes.

[SasaS]

42 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

 

Yea, that article is passive-aggressive bollocks. I'll never be a fan of people dictating what we should or shouldn't do...

 

I just can't see why Trans etc people need to have **anything** as a pronoun. They should be comfortable with who they are without having to put pronouns beside their name? It's their choice to identify as whatever they want so why broadcast it via pronouns if it isn't for attention seeking purposes? If someone gives me a good reason I'm willing to digest it and possibly change my view. **Straight** people doing it is 100% for attention seeking, virtue signalling, 'woke' (I hate that fucking term) purposes.

 

I think it you are trans you would be more sensitive to everything related to gender, in particular, being "misgendered", than if gender has never been an issue for you. Like any other minority is very sensitive when it comes to the thing making them a minority.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

I think it you are trans you would be more sensitive to everything related to gender, in particular, being "misgendered", than if gender has never been an issue for you. Like any other minority is very sensitive when it comes to the thing making them a minority.

Indeed.  It's like when white people say stuff like "I don't see colour", without realising that that's a luxury they can afford because nobody ever makes an issue of their skin colour.  

[ZonkoVille77]

1 minute ago, SasaS said:

 

I think it you are trans you would be more sensitive to everything related to gender, in particular, being "misgendered", than if gender has never been an issue for you. Like any other minority is very sensitive when it comes to the thing making them a minority.

 

OK, makes sense in a way I guess.

Does their sensitivity to everything related to gender stem from them thinking they are not "normal" and therefore want to let everyone know this by way of using pronouns? I personally just acknowledge it as attention seeking, ignore it and live and let live.

 

Anyhow I'm likely chatting utter shite about this and as I've said before I don't care either way, just wish to see people comfortable.

[Strontium]

Well, religious people do tend to get more upset about being told that God doesn't exist than atheists do.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Just now, Strontium said:

Well, religious people do tend to get more upset about being told that God doesn't exist than atheists do.

That's not the same. That's just an example of people just disagreeing about stuff. 

 

What we're talking about is the way different aspects of people's identity affect them differently, depending on whether that specific aspect puts them in a majority or in a minority "out" group.  If a part of your identity puts you in the "in" group, you never need to think about it, because nobody ever gives you grief for it.  (It's the reason there's never been a need for Heterosexual Pride marches, or a White History Month.)

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

That's not the same. That's just an example of people just disagreeing about stuff.

 

Erm, so it's exactly the same then. Some people think gender identity exists separately from a person's sex. Others don't.

[johnsusername]

Can't believe nobody has 'lid' on their signature. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

9 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

Erm, so it's exactly the same then. Some people think gender identity exists separately from a person's sex. Others don't.

No.

Read my post. Try to understand it this time.

[Bjornebye]

Is circumcision for religious reasons classed as child genital mutilation? 

[Strontium]

4 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

No.

Read my post. Try to understand it this time.

 

I read it and quite clearly understood it. The point is that if you don't believe these in and outgroups exist in the first place, then you can't, by definition, belong to one. QED.

 

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Is circumcision for religious reasons classed as child genital mutilation? 

 

Have you mistaken this thread for the Faith & Religion one?

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

 

Have you mistaken this thread for the Faith & Religion one?

 

No, genuine question. I agree that fucking about with a kids sexuality/gender is wrong, is lobbing part of their genitals off in the name of religion also wrong? 

[Strontium]

24 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

No, genuine question. I agree that fucking about with a kids sexuality/gender is wrong, is lobbing part of their genitals off in the name of religion also wrong? 

 

Yes, and I have said so many times on here.

[Mudface]

25 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

 

No, genuine question. I agree that fucking about with a kids sexuality/gender is wrong, is lobbing part of their genitals off in the name of religion also wrong? 

 

But if you ban it, then how will the liberal elite lizards get their face creams?

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

Yes, and I have said so many times on here.

 

I didn't ask if you've said it before. I just asked the question. 

[SasaS]

37 minutes ago, Mudface said:

 

But if you ban it, then how will the liberal elite lizards get their face creams?

 

Calamari rings would be off the menu.

[TheHowieLama]

A bunch of schmucks in here.

[TheHowieLama]

And then there is this dick:

 

[Red Shift]

A very interesting podcast - on a complicated topic.

[ZonkoVille77]

5 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

And then there is this dick:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Strontium]

Tragic what they're doing to these children in the name of "progress"

 

 

[ZonkoVille77]

2 minutes ago, Strontium said:

Tragic what they're doing to these children in the name of "progress"

 

 

 

Just awful and sadly not an isolated case.

 

There clearly needs to be hard, defined laws to fully assess individuals over a much longer period to avoid these tragic episodes. If the individual feels they still wish to go ahead with gender change after the assessment period is over, then it so be it. Definitely needs to be over 18 / adulthood.