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Just now, Strontium Dog™ said:

The bar for transphobia is pretty low these days. Apparently you're transphobic now if you aren't attracted to trans people.

This doesn’t seem like a general consensus thing so much as somebody saying a thing on Twitter. 

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28 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

The bar for transphobia is pretty low these days. Apparently you're transphobic now if you aren't attracted to trans people.

It’s truly astounding.  In years to come people will be totally embarrassed by this.  I can’t wait for the rowing back and contortions.  
 

For those that will deny it. 
 

 

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22 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

This doesn’t seem like a general consensus thing so much as somebody saying a thing on Twitter. 

 

This is trans issues, so there's no such thing as a consensus, but it's a pretty mainstream opinion

 

https://medium.com/@QSE/when-you-say-i-would-never-date-a-trans-person-its-transphobic-here-s-why-aa6fdcf59aca

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-42652947

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

This is trans issues, so there's no such thing as a consensus, but it's a pretty mainstream opinion

 

https://medium.com/@QSE/when-you-say-i-would-never-date-a-trans-person-its-transphobic-here-s-why-aa6fdcf59aca

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-42652947

 

 

I mean, maybe it is, I don’t think it is but maybe. What I do know is that the views of those two people - trans-woman - you linked to don’t actually show that. I think it might be a radical view held by radical people who just so happen to be shouting loudly. Another thing I know is that what those few people say isn’t an authorities definition of what is or isn’t transphobic. 

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1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I mean, maybe it is, I don’t think it is but maybe. What I do know is that the views of those two people - trans-woman - you linked to don’t actually show that. I think it might be a radical view held by radical people who just so happen to be shouting loudly. 

 

Isn't that the problem now, that the agenda is being driven by extremely vocal, radical activists? Which is how we get to the current situation where you're a transphobe if you don't want to allow anyone with a penis who self-identifies as a woman into spaces for vulnerable women, like women's refuges and changing rooms.

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11 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Isn't that the problem now, that the agenda is being driven by extremely vocal, radical activists? Which is how we get to the current situation where you're a transphobe if you don't want to allow anyone with a penis who self-identifies as a woman into spaces for vulnerable women, like women's refuges and changing rooms.

You’re not a transphobe if you don’t want that, though. It’s a classic case of a minority of people claiming things to get their own way. A minority of a minority. Or at least about one. It doesn’t make it true. Just because some twats claimed a thing, it doesn’t mean anything. I’d guess that almost everyone, even a lot of trans people, very much agree with you and would have concerns about somebody claiming a gender just to get into a refuge. Any decent person would be concerned about it and want it judged on a case by case basis. 

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On 26/02/2020 at 23:12, johnsusername said:

After shopping in the menswear section for men's clothes.

 

To be honest she sounds like she's not all there mentally or maybe emotionally plus I reckon she wanted some compo off Marks and Sparks...

 

Myla said: 'I don't think the apology was enough to be honest, it shouldn't have ever happened to start with and I have lost confidence in Marks and Spencer as a company for standing up for trans folk like myself.

'I still feel scared to shop at Marks and Spencer in case it happens again elsewhere or if I have to deal with that same person again."

 

Seems common these days, or at least widely publicised when it does happen. 

Some if them seem to go looking for it. 

 

Another one of a woman kicking off because a barber wouldn't cut her hair

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-jersey-51122848

 

"Ms Freeman said before the incident on 6 January she had not encountered any problems getting her hair cut by other barber shops on the island."

 

 

So she has been to a load of other barbers with no trouble, instead of sticking with one she carries on trying her luck at new ones until one bites and she can go crying to the media. 

 

I don't know about any of you lads but I usually go to the same one almost every time, it's nearby, I build a good rapport with the barbers there etc. even if she was a bloke I'd think it's weird to be going to a different one each time. 

 

And if I did get knocked back I'd laugh it off and take my business to one of the ones that will serve me. Its not difficult. 

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21 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Sefton Council dropped a bit of a bollock. I suppose communication is a fucking minefield in an age of tropes and dogwhistles.

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Fucking hell. I mean the council should have just stick to the Women's Day flag, but still. The bickering and arguing and competing virtue signalling on that twitter thread is something to behold. 

 

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50 minutes ago, johnsusername said:

Fucking hell. I mean the council should have just stick to the Women's Day flag, but still. The bickering and arguing and competing virtue signalling on that twitter thread is something to behold. 

 

Now now, the term "virtue signalling" was outlawed on here some time ago, and using it makes you a massive right wing nazi Trump fingerer. 

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The bit I really don’t get is that women who have been feminist icons are thrown under the bus for not letting men be women. JK Rowling, Alison Moyet etc etc. 

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4 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

The bit I really don’t get is that women who have been feminist icons are thrown under the bus for not letting men be women. JK Rowling, Alison Moyet etc etc. 

It's not about "not letting men be women" you prick.

 

It's about letting people be themselves. 

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4 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Some people with different opinions did.  Not agreeing that trans women are women doesn’t make a person transphobic (stupid fucking word too). 

Those "people with different opinions" have got form: when Liverpool City Council voted to oppose hate crimes, they (in a completely non-transphobic way, obviously) took a stand against it.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45650462

 

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10 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

It's not about "not letting men be women" you prick.

 

It's about letting people be themselves. 

What does that mean? If it means letting men be women then women should be allowed to disagree. But they aren’t.  They are deplatformed, bullied and ostracised. By men usually. 
 

Here’s the kicker. Are trans women women?  

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2 hours ago, Josef Svejk said:

Do women have willies these days? I'm lost...

You obviously haven't been paying attention.

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Have GRCs, or the GRA, been referenced even once in this embarrassment of a thread? They seem quite relevant, and a quick glance at either would help some of you immensely.

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1 minute ago, Duff Man said:

Have GRCs, or the GRA, been referenced even once in this embarrassment of a thread? They seem quite relevant, and a quick glance at either would help some of you immensely.

I think that started the discussion didn’t it? The whole self ID thing.  
 

you might know though, are trans women women? 

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1 minute ago, Duff Man said:

If you want to know what the current legislation says then Google's your friend.

The current legislation is fine. What about the consultation? 
 

so, are trans women women? 

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1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

The bit I really don’t get is that women who have been feminist icons are thrown under the bus for not letting men be women. JK Rowling, Alison Moyet etc etc. 

This is what really pisses me off. These groups should be on the same 'side'. That they're pitted against each other is fucking ridiculous. If the 'right' trolls wanted to cause as much dissension as possible, they couldn't have picked a better starting point than identity politics. It's divide and conquer from the left and it's just as insidious as from the right- if the right wanted to neuter both sides and hold them to ridicule, they couldn't have hoped for a better outcome than the current shitshow. And it's yet another shit American import.

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12 minutes ago, Duff Man said:

Why do you keep asking that? It's answered by the legislation, and GRCs.

Ha, why do you keep avoiding it?  
 

You know the consultation could change the entire landscape.  So, do you believe trans women are women?  

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