Transgender stuff - what's going on?

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

49 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Ha ha yea mate.  The fact that an agency on some instances looking after children, prescribing them life changing drugs and putting them on the pathway to surgery has been found to be that poor it has to be closed, that it’s record keeping is that poor that no claim can be made to its treatment strategy, that numerous whistle blowers have been vindicated - nothing to see. 
 

You mean gay or straight porn?  
 

the phrase ‘I identify as…’ means exactly the same as ‘I pretend to be…’ 

Weird. 

[Rico1304]

1 hour ago, Nelly-Matip said:

Weird. 

Fucking dead right it is. Luckily they’ve closed them down. 

[Rico1304]

The best thing about this thread is it’ll be here when these people and agencies start to get sued, when the evidence is presented and the rowing back will start.  
 

The contorting will be fucking incredible, there’ll be circuses all over the world asking for your details.  

[Rico1304]

 

[Strontium]

I have a strong feeling that detransitioning is going to cost the NHS an absolute fortune in the future in medical and legal bills.

[Numero Veinticinco]

How it started. 

On 11/09/2017 at 18:03, Rico1304 said:

From what I've listened to it's a very very small portion of society. That doesn't mean it should be ignored as the people impacted must have a fucking terrible time. I've heard some argue it's a mental illness (like body dysmorphia) but that doesn't feel right to me. I know that the people impacted have really high suicide rates and surgery doesn't change that.

 

It's a fucking can of worms, especially as Ru Paul has been accused of being transphobic. Ru Paul.

On 11/09/2017 at 19:40, Rico1304 said:

I think the radical stuff gets too much press. There's a school of thought that if you are straight, fancy women but dont fancy men who identify as women makes you transphobic.

How it’s going. 

3 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Ha ha yea mate.  The fact that an agency on some instances looking after children, prescribing them life changing drugs and putting them on the pathway to surgery has been found to be that poor it has to be closed, that it’s record keeping is that poor that no claim can be made to its treatment strategy, that numerous whistle blowers have been vindicated - nothing to see. 
 

You mean gay or straight porn?  
 

the phrase ‘I identify as…’ means exactly the same as ‘I pretend to be…’ 

17 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

The best thing about this thread is it’ll be here when these people and agencies start to get sued, when the evidence is presented and the rowing back will start.  
 

The contorting will be fucking incredible, there’ll be circuses all over the world asking for your details.  

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 minutes ago, Strontium said:

I have a strong feeling that detransitioning is going to cost the NHS an absolute fortune in the future in medical and legal bills.

Pretty sure a plunger will sort it. 

[Rico1304]

On 26/09/2020 at 23:17, AngryOfTuebrook said:

You'd better tell the NHS that their website is out of date.

Receipts 

 

“We do not fully understand the role of adolescent sex hormones in driving the development of both sexuality and gender identity through the early teen years, so by extension we cannot be sure about the impact of stopping these hormone surges on psychosexual and gender maturation. We therefore have no way of knowing whether, rather than buying time to make a decision, puberty blockers may disrupt that decision-making process.

My emphasis added. In other words, the NHS has been treating vulnerable children distressed and uncertain about their gender with potentially life-changing drugs, without knowing whether those drugs delivered the intended results, or actually made it harder for them to resolve their distress and uncertainty. Puberty blockers might have had precisely the opposite effect to the one that was so strenuously claimed. That’s bad enough, but Cass has more to say: 

“A further concern is that adolescent sex hormone surges may trigger the opening of a critical period for experience-dependent rewiring of neural circuits underlying executive function (i.e. maturation of the part of the brain concerned with planning, decision making and judgement). If this is the case, brain maturation may be temporarily or permanently disrupted by puberty blockers, which could have significant impact on the ability to make complex risk-laden decisions, as well as possible longer-term neuropsychological consequences. To date, there has been very limited research on the short-, medium- or longer-term impact of puberty blockers on neurocognitive development.

[Rico1304]

It’s a scandal - truly shocking that it was allowed to happen and anyone challenging it was labelled a bigot.  
 

https://twitter.com/hannahsbee/status/1552979640062558208?s=21&t=5X8IpaLSNXKcpUQMtdpLkw

[AngryOfTuebrook]

In case anyone is unsure of the definition of "mansplaining"... 

 

[Rico1304]

 

[Captain Howdy]

11 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Receipts 

 

“We do not fully understand the role of adolescent sex hormones in driving the development of both sexuality and gender identity through the early teen years, so by extension we cannot be sure about the impact of stopping these hormone surges on psychosexual and gender maturation. We therefore have no way of knowing whether, rather than buying time to make a decision, puberty blockers may disrupt that decision-making process.

My emphasis added. In other words, the NHS has been treating vulnerable children distressed and uncertain about their gender with potentially life-changing drugs, without knowing whether those drugs delivered the intended results, or actually made it harder for them to resolve their distress and uncertainty. Puberty blockers might have had precisely the opposite effect to the one that was so strenuously claimed. That’s bad enough, but Cass has more to say: 

“A further concern is that adolescent sex hormone surges may trigger the opening of a critical period for experience-dependent rewiring of neural circuits underlying executive function (i.e. maturation of the part of the brain concerned with planning, decision making and judgement). If this is the case, brain maturation may be temporarily or permanently disrupted by puberty blockers, which could have significant impact on the ability to make complex risk-laden decisions, as well as possible longer-term neuropsychological consequences. To date, there has been very limited research on the short-, medium- or longer-term impact of puberty blockers on neurocognitive development.

Whatever your viewpoint you do get the impression that this isn’t going to end well.

[Rico1304]

16 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

Whatever your viewpoint you do get the impression that this isn’t going to end well.

I think the ruling bodies realise they’d be sued out of existence the first time a woman is seriously injured.  You can be inclusive or safe.  Not both.  
 

There was an interview yesterday I think where a TW was saying how it was unfair.   She is 54 and playing for a team, not the veterans, the main womens team.  

[Rico1304]

2 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

In case anyone is unsure of the definition of "mansplaining"... 

 

Mansplaining indeed.  Here’s who made the decision on women’s rugby - no wonder it was close. ‘will someone please think of the men?!’

 

https://twitter.com/cathydevine56/status/1553273733703503873?s=21&t=_W7KJaVgszR8KPWnPfLKAA

[Rico1304]

And when you actually survey the women, the ones playing the sport they overwhelmingly say they don’t want to play with or against men.  Imagine that being a controversial opinion?

 

 

[Strontium]

It's self-evidently ridiculous that someone with the physique of a man should even be considered for ladies' rugby. Women would literally get killed. However, like all fictions, the idea that a man can be a woman only works fully if it is acknowledged at all times. As soon as you bar transwomen from women's sport, you're admitting there's a distinction between the two. It's tantamount to pointing out that the empress has no clothes, and what's that long thing dangling from her groin.

[Rico1304]

1 hour ago, Strontium said:

It's self-evidently ridiculous that someone with the physique of a man should even be considered for ladies' rugby. Women would literally get killed. However, like all fictions, the idea that a man can be a woman only works fully if it is acknowledged at all times. As soon as you bar transwomen from women's sport, you're admitting there's a distinction between the two. It's tantamount to pointing out that the empress has no clothes, and what's that long thing dangling from her groin.

It would be interesting to see what would have happened if the decision had gone the other way. If women would have formed a breakaway league for women only.  I think there’d have been a slow march away from the current league after a few had been ‘folded like deckchairs ‘  (remember that?) TW would have tried to infiltrate it and demanded access again.  

[Strontium]

 

[Rico1304]

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

[Anubis]

Just have a category of sport for Trans teams or competitors. It’s not that fucking difficult. And before anyone cries about this - exhibit A - the Paralympics.

[Numero Veinticinco]

51 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Just have a category of sport for Trans teams or competitors. It’s not that fucking difficult. And before anyone cries about this - exhibit A - the Paralympics.

But there'll be about 5 players in the entire league. 

[Rico1304]

1 hour ago, Anubis said:

Just have a category of sport for Trans teams or competitors. It’s not that fucking difficult. And before anyone cries about this - exhibit A - the Paralympics.

Open category and women. 

[Rico1304]

Another victory for common sense.  It turns out you’re not a bigot for stating facts.  
 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/31/dont-buy-stonewall-line-gender-identity-cant-sack-you-now?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[Rico1304]

On 31/07/2022 at 11:34, Anubis said:

Just have a category of sport for Trans teams or competitors. It’s not that fucking difficult. And before anyone cries about this - exhibit A - the Paralympics.

This cyclist had never even entered a race before and was immediately international womens standard. Remarkable…or maybe not. 
 

common sense prevailed. 
 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/aug/1/usa-cycling-accused-transphobia-stripping-trans-cy/