Transgender stuff - what's going on?

[Rico1304]

20 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Can't they just open a trans prison? Or am I missing the point. 

No, that’s perfectly reasonable.  But only if you accept that Trans women aren’t women, and that’s heresy. 

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

No, that’s perfectly reasonable.  But only if you accept that Trans women aren’t women, and that’s heresy. 

I'm not getting into that. I'm identifying as a mop bucket today. 

[Lario]

Just wait until someone like RG Snyman decides he wants to be a rugby-playing woman.

 

[Rico1304]

9 minutes ago, Lario said:

Just wait until someone like RG Snyman decides he wants to be a rugby-playing woman.

 

Ha. Why do people play rugby? Mental. Imagine him running at you. 
 

It wouldn’t take that. Average blokes are better at sport than talented women. You can go from being top 300 amongst men to being the best amongst women.  Then you get your college paid and save yourself $100k. Or you can be a 45 yr old bloke and suddenly be an elite athlete whereas before you were a mediocre veteran. 
 

 

[Pidge]

1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

Can't they just open a trans prison? Or am I missing the point. 

There is a trans dedicated wing at HMP downview implemented after the Karen White incident (which was a few years ago, not 'now').

 

In other news Florida have passed legislation that allows the inspection of child athlete's genitalia, or other genetic/hormone testing, where their sex is 'disputed' (by any school or individual competitor).

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, Pidge said:

 

In other news Florida have passed legislation that allows the inspection of child athlete's genitalia, or other genetic/hormone testing, where their sex is 'disputed' (by any school or individual competitor).

If that goes global I have reason to believe that Federica Pellegrini may have a willy and I'd like to be the one who checks please. Thanks. 

[Rico1304]

1 hour ago, Pidge said:

There is a trans dedicated wing at HMP downview implemented after the Karen White incident (which was a few years ago, not 'now').

 

In other news Florida have passed legislation that allows the inspection of child athlete's genitalia, or other genetic/hormone testing, where their sex is 'disputed' (by any school or individual competitor).

It’s funny that you mention that White was a ‘a few years ago’ to somehow diminish it.  But Downviews trans wing was only opened this year because of White’s rapes. 
 

Trans kids can still compete in sports, they just don’t get to chose the one they want.  Why is that controversial?  High school kids don’t compete against middle school kids.  
 

Edit: Downview is of course a women’s prison. 

[Pidge]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

It’s funny that you mention that White was a ‘a few years ago’ to somehow diminish it.  But Downviews trans wing was only opened this year because of White’s rapes. 
 

Trans kids can still compete in sports, they just don’t get to chose the one they want.  Why is that controversial?  High school kids don’t compete against middle school kids.  
 

Edit: Downview is of course a women’s prison. 

I'm not diminishing anything, just highlighting that action was taken in response to it (still unclear as to how effective that change will be, of course). Something you tend to leave out when you mention it as an example of something happening in the present.

 

Regarding the sports, that clearly isn't the most controversial bit, is it?

[Rico1304]

7 minutes ago, Pidge said:

I'm not diminishing anything, just highlighting that action was taken in response to it (still unclear as to how effective that change will be, of course). Something you tend to leave out when you mention it as an example of something happening in the present.

 

Regarding the sports, that clearly isn't the most controversial bit, is it?

Action was taken this year after white and others were accused of sex attacks.  Now wouldn’t you expect it to be the other way round? I mean it’s effectively an experiment that didn’t work, so 4 years later this wing was open. And not all trans women in prison are in this wing are they?  So it’s hardly a solution is it? 
 

19% of male offenders have convictions for sexual crimes.  46% of trans women in prison have convictions for sex crimes.  Now why would you put trans women in with women and be surprised that this happens? 
 

You have to prove your age to compete in your age group. A test, a mouth swab, would have to be done once.   

[SasaS]

How many trans women are there in British prisons? Surely Aryan Sisterhood can deal with them.

[Pidge]

44 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Action was taken this year after white and others were accused of sex attacks.  Now wouldn’t you expect it to be the other way round? I mean it’s effectively an experiment that didn’t work, so 4 years later this wing was open. And not all trans women in prison are in this wing are they?  So it’s hardly a solution is it? 
 

19% of male offenders have convictions for sexual crimes.  46% of trans women in prison have convictions for sex crimes.  Now why would you put trans women in with women and be surprised that this happens? 
 

You have to prove your age to compete in your age group. A test, a mouth swab, would have to be done once.   

Right, but the text of the legislation specifically allows physical examination of "the student's reproductive anatomy". What, in theory, would be needed is irrelevant when the provisions being written into law far exceed that.

 

Regarding Downview being a solution, I don't know. As I said it's so soon and there's not enough data to draw any conclusions there. I'd hope it encourages the investment in specialised facilities and services to safeguard inmates across the board, whether that requires full segregation, I don't know. The current setup (I'm not sure when it exactly) is not the first unit opened since it was first announced in 2019, either.

 

Those statistics are pretty flawed as the data they draw from mainly relates to long-term prisoners and so isn't reflective of the full population.

[Rico1304]

23 minutes ago, Pidge said:

Right, but the text of the legislation specifically allows physical examination of "the student's reproductive anatomy". What, in theory, would be needed is irrelevant when the provisions being written into law far exceed that.

 

Regarding Downview being a solution, I don't know. As I said it's so soon and there's not enough data to draw any conclusions there. I'd hope it encourages the investment in specialised facilities and services to safeguard inmates across the board, whether that requires full segregation, I don't know. The current setup (I'm not sure when it exactly) is not the first unit opened since it was first announced in 2019, either.

 

Those statistics are pretty flawed as the data they draw from mainly relates to long-term prisoners and so isn't reflective of the full population.

I’m not defending that part of the law, why would I?  But the idea that an athlete wishing to compete with the women, whilst having a penis and previously being a man, would then have to prove he was a woman isn’t outrageous.  And those examinations aren’t compulsory are they? They are the range of proofs that are acceptable.  
 

Ha, so you think those stats are flawed.  Don’t you think before making the decision someone would have gathered the ‘correct’ stats before putting them in women’s prisons?  Long term trans prisoners are twice as bad as men, why should short term prisoners be the same as women.  It’s madness. 
 

I can’t remember if you’ve answered this before, but do you believe TWAW and in self ID.  

[Pidge]

Is there anyone you haven't asked?

[Rico1304]

17 minutes ago, Pidge said:

Is there anyone you haven't asked?

Tony’s ma. Well, she said she was his ma. 

[Bjornebye]

8 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Tony’s ma. Well, she said she was his ma. 

Wait... what?! 

[Captain Turdseye]

This thread is bizarre. Everyone knows Rico’s opinion and everyone knows who disagrees with parts of it and agrees with others. And round and round we go. Baffling how it’s always on page 1 of the GF. 
 

There’s not even any pics of fit trannies to try and catch people out. I’d rather not have that in my search history but there’s got to be some deviants here willing to step up. 

[Bjornebye]

13 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

This thread is bizarre. Everyone knows Rico’s opinion and everyone knows who disagrees with parts of it and agrees with others. And round and round we go. Baffling how it’s always on page 1 of the GF. 
 

There’s not even any pics of fit trannies to try and catch people out. I’d rather not have that in my search history but there’s got to be some deviants here willing to step up. 

I've just saved a selfie you have posted up on your facey from years ago that looks like you've got eyeliner on. Was gonna post it but nah 

[SasaS]

43 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

This thread is bizarre. Everyone knows Rico’s opinion and everyone knows who disagrees with parts of it and agrees with others. And round and round we go. Baffling how it’s always on page 1 of the GF. 
 

There’s not even any pics of fit trannies to try and catch people out. I’d rather not have that in my search history but there’s got to be some deviants here willing to step up. 

I think we also need a poll.    

[Rico1304]

51 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

This thread is bizarre. Everyone knows Rico’s opinion and everyone knows who disagrees with parts of it and agrees with others. And round and round we go. Baffling how it’s always on page 1 of the GF. 
 

There’s not even any pics of fit trannies to try and catch people out. I’d rather not have that in my search history but there’s got to be some deviants here willing to step up. 

It’s fascinating to watch it unfold IMO. 5 yrs ago if you’d have said: 

 

medical experiments on kids are ok

women have dicks 

men belong in women’s prisons

at 48 I could be a professional footballer you’d have been laughed at.  now if you say the opposite you’re a bigot.  
 

Its like a mass delusion, emperor’s new clothes
 

edit: I’m 49 now. 

[Pidge]

Not sure anyone's saying that now.

 

and happy birthday.

[Rico1304]

10 minutes ago, Pidge said:

Not sure anyone's saying that now.

 

and happy birthday.

PBs

Thats self evident if TWAW

Self evident

My sex life means I have strong wrists

 

Ta

[Captain Turdseye]

1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

I've just saved a selfie you have posted up on your facey from years ago that looks like you've got eyeliner on. Was gonna post it but nah 

Pretty sure there is a picture of my little girl doing my make up. It was her birthday, I couldn’t say no. 

[Bjornebye]

12 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

Pretty sure there is a picture of my little girl doing my make up. It was her birthday, I couldn’t say no. 

I'm not gonna put a picture of your little girl up am I. Jesus. I was actually looking for that beard one you've put up on here a few times 

[Captain Turdseye]

13 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I'm not gonna put a picture of your little girl up am I. Jesus. I was actually looking for that beard one you've put up on here a few times 

Haha. That popped up the other day in my ‘photo of the day’ thing iPhones do now. The one that Cloggy or Mook photoshopped on to a hobo. 
 

My beard now is longer than that and shit on an epic scale. Gave up shaving in the last lockdown. Zero fucks given. 

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

Haha. That popped up the other day in my ‘photo of the day’ thing iPhones do now. The one that Cloggy or Mook photoshopped on to a hobo. 
 

My beard now is longer than that and shit on an epic scale. Gave up shaving in the last lockdown. Zero fucks given. 

Haha show me