Transgender stuff - what's going on?

[stringvest]

Trans athletes should have their own category.  No good will ever come from trying to shoehorn them into a category that, for whatever reason, and to whatever degree, they do not fit.  Let them fight/race/throw/lift amongst him/her/themselves.  This whole debate takes up an inordinate amount of time and space.  

[mars]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

Yes.  Women are not men with lower T levels.  

The question was about the strength of transwomen v cis women, not whether women with lower T levels are men. My question was reasonable.

[SasaS]

Do we have any videos on who is stronger than who question?

 

I remember when the debate was golden eagles vs the wolves, Neko posted some great fights.

[Pureblood]

Revenge of the cis

[Rico1304]

35 minutes ago, mars said:

The question was about the strength of transwomen v cis women, not whether women with lower T levels are men. My question was reasonable.

T levels don’t take into account bigger heart, lungs, better eyes better aim, faster recovery, more fast twitch muscles, shape of the pelvis, angle of the femur etc etc.  T levels were always a poor measure. 
 

When you’ve got T levels down to a level on a par with women you’ve still got a man with all the advantages above.  

[Rico1304]

Here you go

 

https://www.world.rugby/the-game/player-welfare/guidelines/transgender/women

[A Red]

3 hours ago, A Red said:

I'll try to make a bit more sense for you by asking it differently.

 

What is stronger, generally, a trans woman having gone though male puberty or a woman having gone through female puberty?

I thought we were progressing @AngryOfTuebrook ?

[Rico1304]

2 hours ago, stringvest said:

Trans athletes should have their own category.  No good will ever come from trying to shoehorn them into a category that, for whatever reason, and to whatever degree, they do not fit.  Let them fight/race/throw/lift amongst him/her/themselves.  This whole debate takes up an inordinate amount of my wanking time

Might be difficult as there would be some single athlete events.  In fact I could find a niche event, be the only competitor and…still find a way to be last

[stringvest]

7 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Might be difficult as there would be some single athlete events.  In fact I could find a niche event, be the only competitor and…still find a way to be last

you'd need the op first

[Rico1304]

3 minutes ago, stringvest said:

you'd need the op first

Minor surgery in my case mate.  

[cloggypop]

6 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

korfball

 

[stringvest]

39 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

 

it's coming home

 

[cloggypop]

1 hour ago, stringvest said:

it's coming home

 

No. That's paintball.

 

 

[ZonkoVille77]

Struggling to masturbate to this thread, if I'm honest. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 minute ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

Struggling to masturbate to this thread, if I'm honest. 

That's because you don't know whether to tug your todger or tickle the scampi.

[Captain Willard]

2 hours ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

Struggling to masturbate to this thread, if I'm honest. 

Amateur 

[johnsusername]

[redheart]

Ahhh a bit of common sense at last

 

Trans people can be excluded from single-sex services if ‘justifiable’, says EHRC | Transgender | The Guardian

[halewood pete]

[Rico1304]

 

[Rico1304]

Good article on why testing athletes may give skewed results.  
 

 

[Rico1304]

Common sense has prevailed. 
 

 

[stringvest]

23 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Common sense has prevailed. 
 

 

YOU CAN'T ENTER LOW CROSSBAR SPORTS WITH A HIGH CROSSBAR.  IT'S OBVIOUS.  PUTTING A WICKER BASKET ON THE FRONT FOOLS NO-ONE.

[stringvest]

22 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Good article on why testing athletes may give skewed results.  
 

 

I do feel sorry for the individuals such as Emily Bridges, who's clearly gone balls out to get the rules changed.

[Bruce Spanner]

R4 now is a bit of a car crash interview on the subject where you've got one person asking resonable questions and another, Veronica Ivy, starting from the point that you're a bigot for asking, a perfect encapsulation of where the debate is and why it's good that the grown ups are now in the room making decisions.

 

Ivy claims that there is absolutely no advantge to being born male and going through male puberty as 'In the legal framework they are female in law and therefore are women, so that distinction doesn't matter' farcicle argument.

 

Robinson then says 'Should we just remove gender considerations so it's an open field to take away any considerations?'

 

'No, as that's a different argument completely'

 

'No. it's not'

 

'Er, yeah, something something...'

 

Seem to be getting to a good point with all of this now with the hyperbolic language being repleced by semi sensible conversations based on objective reality.