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Transgender stuff - what's going on?

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8 hours ago, sir roger said:

Intersex ?

Alien probes, that sort of thing ?

Nearly

 

Intersex people in general don’t like being included as they have a medical condition.  They are included as they are used to try and ‘demonstrate’ that sex is a spectrum rather than binary. 

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4 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

Just seen that the conversion therapy ban will now become law, but not for transgender people. Fucking disgusting that this shit wasn't banned years ago, and to not make it a blanket ban just makes a fucking mockery of it.

Don't really understand it even from a political perspective. Surely there must be a crushingly small number of people who still think these practices are acceptable, never mind actually work, even amongst Tories.

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9 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Don't really understand it even from a political perspective. Surely there must be a crushingly small number of people who still think these practices are acceptable, never mind actually work, even amongst Tories.

The reason they’ve not included Trans in the ban is that it would have made the affirmation model the only option.  A huge proportion (over 80%) outgrow their desire to change sex and turn out to be gay or lesbian.  So, if you’ve got a young kid going to a psychologist saying they think they want to change sex the psychologist wouldn’t be able to say ‘Are you sure, have you considered you may be gay?’  Theyd only be able to say ‘Ok’. 
 

You wouldn’t want a medical professional saying to an anorexic’Yes, you’re right you’re too thin’ 
 

Lots of parents can’t handle having a gay kid, but can have one that’s ‘born in the wrong body’. 

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2 hours ago, sir roger said:

Don't really understand it even from a political perspective. Surely there must be a crushingly small number of people who still think these practices are acceptable, never mind actually work, even amongst Tories.

I think this is the concern that Rico was referring to:

Why are trans people now excluded?

Nikki da Costa, a former director of legislative affairs at No 10, told the BBC on Friday that a ban would have had “profound consequences for children struggling with gender dysphoria. It would create a situation where doctors, therapists, even parents would be deterred from exploring with a child any feelings of what else may be going on for fear of being told they’re trying to change a child’s identity. And that is deeply concerning.”

 

My question is why not ban trans conversion therapy and make an exception for medical situations where gender dysphoria is being diagnosed? As things stand, you've now got the problem that more extreme versions of conversion therapy will be legal. This is from the BMA

“In fact, ‘conversion therapy’ has been debunked countless times as an unethical and damaging practice that preys on victims of homophobia, transphobia, discrimination, and bullying. For those subjected to it, it can also increase the risk of long-lasting psychological harm, substance abuse, or even suicide. Many acts of conversion therapy amount to torture, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment - a violation of international and UK law. That the Government can recognise a set of practices, methods and activities as ‘abhorrent’, damaging and cruel for one group but suggest that those same practices, methods and activities can be acceptably perpetrated on another group is profoundly troubling.

 

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10 minutes ago, mars said:

I think this is the concern that Rico was referring to:

Why are trans people now excluded?

Nikki da Costa, a former director of legislative affairs at No 10, told the BBC on Friday that a ban would have had “profound consequences for children struggling with gender dysphoria. It would create a situation where doctors, therapists, even parents would be deterred from exploring with a child any feelings of what else may be going on for fear of being told they’re trying to change a child’s identity. And that is deeply concerning.”

 

My question is why not ban trans conversion therapy and make an exception for medical situations where gender dysphoria is being diagnosed? As things stand, you've now got the problem that more extreme versions of conversion therapy will be legal. This is from the BMA

“In fact, ‘conversion therapy’ has been debunked countless times as an unethical and damaging practice that preys on victims of homophobia, transphobia, discrimination, and bullying. For those subjected to it, it can also increase the risk of long-lasting psychological harm, substance abuse, or even suicide. Many acts of conversion therapy amount to torture, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment - a violation of international and UK law. That the Government can recognise a set of practices, methods and activities as ‘abhorrent’, damaging and cruel for one group but suggest that those same practices, methods and activities can be acceptably perpetrated on another group is profoundly troubling.

 

I’ve already said, the definition was that wide that affirmation was the only course of action. We already know that over 80% of people presenting with GD desist and turn out to be gay or lesbian.  
 

 

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3 hours ago, Paulie Dangerously said:

Where's the narc?

I only recently discovered that they say 'narc' and not 'nark'. I assumed they thought Homer was some old weirdo out to interfere with their fun (hence nark). They actually say 'narc' as in somebody in law enforcement. It never really made sense the way I thought it was.

 

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