Transgender stuff - what's going on?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

When this all falls apart, which it will, the amount of back peddling will be unprecedented. 
 

Mermaids will be on the wrong side of history.  They are fucking horrid.  

Why are you so obsessed with trans people and so stubborn in your refusal to accept the growing scientific consensus on the non-binary nature of biological sex?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, redheart said:

 

 

How is the suicide rate measured and by whom?

 

Please dont say some quack shit like Mermaids.

 

There was a programme recently with Anna Friel (butterfly) and the makes approached GIDS for data on teenager suicide and transgender. They stated that it pretty much did not exist. This did not suit the makers so they went to quack bullshit artists "Mermaids" who made up some nonsense of lots of teen suicides so the programme could be overly sensational about it being better to have a living daughter than a dead son

How does anyone ever find out whether people have attempted suicide? You do a survey and ask them.

 

The data does exist.  Studies have been carried out.  Your Anna Friel anecdote is bullshit.

 

The survey I referenced was the Trans Mental Health Study 2012, carried out by a partnership including Sheffield Hallam University. 

[Rico1304]

26 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Why are you so obsessed with trans people and so stubborn in your refusal to accept the growing scientific consensus on the non-binary nature of biological sex?

I just like calling out bollocks.  I have no axe to grind but find it fucking weird how the left (generally) are happy to follow bollocks policies that have no basis in any science

but are designed to make people feel better about themselves.  But this time, the kids who’ve been sterilised, had their bodies disfigured will be around to call out the woo (notnAlex). It won’t be pretty. 
 

oh - one peer reviewed study on the non binary status of human sex would be ace. 
 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Let's not pretend that either of us would fully understand any peer reviewed studies on the subject: we are not biologists. What we can do is look to articles from respected popular science publications - like New Scientist or Nature - which reference those studies. The overwhelming consensus from those articles (to borrow Ben Goldacre's favourite phrase) is "I think you'll find it's more complicated than that".

 

On the other hand, we could both just fall back on opinion pieces which reinforce our prejudices, but I doubt that's helpful. 

 

Wikipedia is a useful place to start for an overview of anything.   Here's the page on sexual differentiation in humans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_differentiation_in_humans

 

The key point is that biological sex depends on five factors. For most of us, these factors all line up neatly, so we can unequivocally identify ad male or female.  For a not-insignificant minority, those five factors don't align, so they don't fit neatly into the binary worldview: either society has to make some tiny adjustments to accommodate them, or they will be condemned to a life of oppression and depression. 

 

[Rico1304]

I’ll just refer you back to Dr Emma Hilton. 
 

You have the extraordinary claim, you need to provide the extraordinary evidence.  Not fucking sociologists or gender theory chancers. Biology.
 

you have none, because there is none. It’s all, completely all, 100% bollocks 

 

phillip bunce Does that not give you any worries?  

[Strontium]

17 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Let's not pretend that either of us would fully understand any peer reviewed studies on the subject: we are not biologists.

 

Speak for yourself.

 

17 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

The key point is that biological sex depends on five factors. For most of us, these factors all line up neatly, so we can unequivocally identify ad male or female.  For a not-insignificant minority, those five factors don't align, so they don't fit neatly into the binary worldview: either society has to make some tiny adjustments to accommodate them, or they will be condemned to a life of oppression and depression. 

 

 

I don't think anyone has ever disputed the existence of intersex people. I'm not altogether sure what that has to do with transgenderism.

[Rico1304]

10 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Speak for yourself.

 

 

I don't think anyone has ever disputed the existence of intersex people. I'm not altogether sure what that has to do with transgenderism.

And intersex people are sick of being dragged into the argument. 
 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

I’ll just refer you back to Dr Emma Hilton. 
 

You have the extraordinary claim, you need to provide the extraordinary evidence.  Not fucking sociologists or gender theory chancers. Biology.
 

you have none, because there is none. It’s all, completely all, 100% bollocks 

 

phillip bunce Does that not give you any worries?  

Of course you'll refer me to Emma Hilton. I'm starting to think she's the only biologist you acknowledge.

 

I've never referenced any "sociologists or gender theory chancers". No idea what you're on about there.

 

Biology basically says what is in my previous post. Sex is not simple and binary.  Repeatedly shouting "GAMETES!" just doesn't cut it.

 

I've never heard of Philip Bunce, so all I'm worried about there is your lack of capitalisation. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Speak for yourself.

It's clear that Rico wouldn’t understand the peer reviewed studies; he doesn't seem to understand anything beyond the word "gametes".

2 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

I  don't think anyone has ever disputed the existence of intersex people. I'm not altogether sure what that has to do with transgenderism.

I'm not bang up to date with the nuances of all the different labels, so I can't comment on your point about intersex and transgenderism, but it's clear that plenty on here have insisted that sex is binary and that's just wrong.

[Captain Turdseye]

3 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

I have no axe to grind

Stop fucking bumping the thread then. 

[Pureblood]

Hey, guess what?  STOP BUMPING OLD THREADS

[AngryOfTuebrook]

16 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

Stop fucking bumping the thread then. 

I don't see nothing wrong with a little bump and grind.

[Paulie Dangerously]

 I have always struggled to get my head around it. I think if I could spend 30 minutes with someone who is transgender and ask questions, without fear of being jumped on for being transphobic, I'd understand it a lot more.

 

Like any fringe group you've got hardcore activists and orbiters scouring the internet looking for examples of transphobia to pile on. Seeing arguments about 'female penises' and beauty parlours getting sued for not waxing someone's balls errodes empathy for people who face discrimination.

 

Would anyone consider a romantic relationship with someone who identifies as a gender they were not assigned at birth? 

[redheart]

One of my ex-students is a very vocal intersex campaigner who sick to death of people like her being used to justify calling a man a woman because he says he "feels like a woman" inside.

 

Just because a tiny number of people are born outside the physical "norm" it does not justify this trans bullshit.

 

There are two sexes. Fact. No debate.

 

If you look at the data the number of F2M trans far outnumber the M2F trans. But look at the campaigners and social media and you would assume that trans is almost exclusively M2F.

 

You know why? Male entitlement and aggression. They have been socialised as men, they have the physique of men. Dont get want they want no problem lets threaten to fuck up a TERF. Lets stand outside feminist seminars with baseball bats threatening violence against women. I remember when it was cool not to threaten and abuse women.

 

Oh and lets endure lots of whiny men online bemoaning the "cotton ceiling"  because lesbians dont see them as viable partners and will not suck their ladycock. I remember when it was cool not to bully lesbians.

 

The number of people who suffer from true body dysmorphia is tiny. What we are seeing is confirmation bias. People of all ages (especially vulnerable teens) are being told they are trans. This includes a large number of teens with emotional health problems and autistic teens. Those driving this agenda are quacks like mermaids.

 

What a perfect example of transfemales showing male entitlement and aggression. None of this is female. He does not act like a female. He does not have the physique of a female. This is all about male aggression and self-entitlement. he claims to be "literally" not a man but every part of this screams that he is (just like his behaviour).

 

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

1 hour ago, Paulie Dangerously said:

 I have always struggled to get my head around it. I think if I could spend 30 minutes with someone who is transgender and ask questions, without fear of being jumped on for being transphobic, I'd understand it a lot more.

 

Like any fringe group you've got hardcore activists and orbiters scouring the internet looking for examples of transphobia to pile on. Seeing arguments about 'female penises' and beauty parlours getting sued for not waxing someone's balls errodes empathy for people who face discrimination.

 

Would anyone consider a romantic relationship with someone who identifies as a gender they were not assigned at birth? 

Superb post. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, redheart said:

One of my ex-students is a very vocal intersex campaigner who sick to death of people like her being used to justify calling a man a woman because he says he "feels like a woman" inside.

 

Just because a tiny number of people are born outside the physical "norm" it does not justify this trans bullshit.

 

There are two sexes. Fact. No debate.

 

If you look at the data the number of F2M trans far outnumber the M2F trans. But look at the campaigners and social media and you would assume that trans is almost exclusively M2F.

 

You know why? Male entitlement and aggression. They have been socialised as men, they have the physique of men. Dont get want they want no problem lets threaten to fuck up a TERF. Lets stand outside feminist seminars with baseball bats threatening violence against women. I remember when it was cool not to threaten and abuse women.

 

Oh and lets endure lots of whiny men online bemoaning the "cotton ceiling"  because lesbians dont see them as viable partners and will not suck their ladycock. I remember when it was cool not to bully lesbians.

 

The number of people who suffer from true body dysmorphia is tiny. What we are seeing is confirmation bias. People of all ages (especially vulnerable teens) are being told they are trans. This includes a large number of teens with emotional health problems and autistic teens. Those driving this agenda are quacks like mermaids.

 

What a perfect example of transfemales showing male entitlement and aggression. None of this is female. He does not act like a female. He does not have the physique of a female. This is all about male aggression and self-entitlement. he claims to be "literally" not a man but every part of this screams that he is (just like his behaviour).

 

 

 

 

I stopped reading at "no debate".

 

It's a phrase that sounds a bit silly after 70 pages of debate.

[Rico1304]

 

 

[aRdja]

3 hours ago, Paulie Dangerously said:

 I have always struggled to get my head around it. I think if I could spend 30 minutes with someone who is transgender and ask questions, without fear of being jumped on for being transphobic, I'd understand it a lot more.

 

Like any fringe group you've got hardcore activists and orbiters scouring the internet looking for examples of transphobia to pile on. Seeing arguments about 'female penises' and beauty parlours getting sued for not waxing someone's balls errodes empathy for people who face discrimination.

 

Would anyone consider a romantic relationship with someone who identifies as a gender they were not assigned at birth? 

I would sleep with a hot trans girl before a fat and ugly CIS-girl without a shadow of doubt, so long as the penis is no longer there. Wouldn’t you?

[Mudface]

2 minutes ago, aRdja said:

I would sleep with a hot trans girl before a fat and ugly CIS-girl without a shadow of doubt, so long as the penis is no longer there. Wouldn’t you?

You old romantic, you.

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

7 minutes ago, aRdja said:

I would sleep with a hot trans girl before a fat and ugly CIS-girl without a shadow of doubt, so long as the penis isnt bigger than mine. Wouldn’t you?

 

 

[Paulie Dangerously]

3 minutes ago, aRdja said:

I would sleep with a hot trans girl before a fat and ugly CIS-girl without a shadow of doubt, so long as the penis is no longer there. Wouldn’t you?

I didn't mean sleep with as in hit it and quit it. I meant have a romantic relationship with as traditionally a cis man and a cis woman would be. 

 

Fair play for admitting you'd get it smashed though. 

[aRdja]

This one after she gets the snip for example.

 

 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

11 minutes ago, aRdja said:

I would sleep with a hot trans girl before a fat and ugly CIS-girl without a shadow of doubt, so long as the penis is no longer there. Wouldn’t you?

Such lovely sentiment

 

[Paulie Dangerously]

17 minutes ago, aRdja said:

This one after she gets the snip for example.

 

 

Stunning and brave. Needs NFSW tags though. 

[aRdja]

 

1 minute ago, Paulie Dangerously said:

Stunning and brave. Needs NFSW tags though. 

How do you do it?