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Just now, Bjornebye said:

We need more pointless graphs and bollocks please. 

 

As for Keita, we know he has it in his locker to be brilliant but he just can't hack the speed and physicality of the Prem. He would do great in France/Italy and obviously Germany. I just can't see it happening for him here. You can point at injuries etc but he has had his chances. I hope I'm wrong of course. 

If Klopp doesn’t like graphs and bollocks why does he have a laptop?

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1 minute ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

If Klopp doesn’t like graphs and bollocks why does he have a laptop?

Germany is the porn capital of the world. Plus he likes watching videos of Cats getting frightened on YouTube. 

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1 hour ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

If Klopp doesn’t like graphs and bollocks why does he have a laptop?


To access the Man City scouting network...

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Even if Klopp has his doubts, there is no way Edwards is going to be on board for selling Keita.

 

He has had injury problems, and I agree that something "looks" off when you watch the team play, but statistically he has been excellent. Progresses the ball (far better than our other midfielders, and this is important!), tackles, goal contributions, passes into the box, etc.

 

My personal opinion is that he hasn't quite grasped what Klopp wants him to do as a midfielder. Our team is structured so differently than most with the ball progression coming much more from the fullbacks, and then the midfield is more defensive to cover the fullbacks, that it's probably quite different to anything else Keita would have played in. Others have shown the ability to adapt, eventually (Fabinho, for example) but despite his excellent actual play on the ball, Keita still seems to struggle with decision-making. When to stay, when to go, etc.

 

I still think he'll come good, but he really does need to make better decisions. It would also help some if the media (the Echo in particular) didn't take every opportunity to scapegoat him, but some of it is on his head as well.

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2 hours ago, 3 Stacks said:

 

I said this a couple pages back.

All for statistics to add insight - but according to the PL site Keita has 3 goals and 2 assists in 34 league appearances. For a midfielder who is typically in the furthest-forward spot I'm not sure how that can qualify as being world class, or even semi-decent? Cantwell - for example - has 6 goals and 2 assists in 27 appearances. Grealish has 7 goals and 6 assists this season alone - again, less appearances. In the grand scheme of things Cantwell & Grealish are both pretty ordinary - when you start to go up the tree it looks uglier still. It doesn't feel like Keita has been particularly unlucky either -- that is, it doesn't feel like he's creating all of these incredible chances that are being fluffed by others. Maybe that is way off the mark, but on the face of it the metrics look pretty ordinary.

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18 minutes ago, Alex_K said:

All for statistics to add insight - but according to the PL site Keita has 3 goals and 2 assists in 34 league appearances. For a midfielder who is typically in the furthest-forward spot I'm not sure how that can qualify as being world class, or even semi-decent? Cantwell - for example - has 6 goals and 2 assists in 27 appearances. Grealish has 7 goals and 6 assists this season alone - again, less appearances. In the grand scheme of things Cantwell & Grealish are both pretty ordinary - when you start to go up the tree it looks uglier still. It doesn't feel like Keita has been particularly unlucky either -- that is, it doesn't feel like he's creating all of these incredible chances that are being fluffed by others. Maybe that is way off the mark, but on the face of it the metrics look pretty ordinary.

It's not the goals and assists, it's the ball progression (forward passing through the lines), pressures, key passes. Things like that where per 90 minutes he is up there with any midfielder in the world. Those are things that are better than goals and assists to determine how well a midfielder is doing. It's more in line with what a midfielder is generally asked to contribute.

 

My problem with Keita is that despite all that, when I watch him, and I'm clearly not the only one, I feel there's something missing. Whether it's his intensity, his attitude on the pitch, I don't know. That's the discrepancy with him; people will look at the numbers and tell you he's doing as well as almost anyone, but the feeling you get when watching him is different, not in a good way.

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Jurgen needs to sort himself out. A few of you on here have a duty to contact him and put him straight. I did over Karius and look where that went. No need for thanks.

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8 hours ago, Nolongerathletic said:

Well he should be overjoyed with that given his performances over the last few seasons. Strangely enough, he does seem to play ok in certain games, in the Barca 1st leg last year he looked like the best player on the pitch until that rat Rakitic tackled him from behind. Having said that he was only on the pitch for 25 mins or so... he seems to start brightly and then gets progressively worse.

 

I can't see many takers for him at minute...maybe Leipzig would have him back...perhaps as part of a Werner deal. In the end I think Klopp is a fan and will persist with him...if he is to improve, he has the best manager in the world to help him do so.

 

 

Yeah fair...but as i say for me he's alright as a bit part player here to give us decent depth...and if he improves then great

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I find it hard that people can't be impressed with him when they watch.

 

But removing that bias or perception they have in their minds when judging then you look at the stats and realise he's incredibly effective both attacking & defensively.

 

Genuinely don't get the criticism he's getting.  My only criticism is he can't stay fit.  

 

I'd post some stats, but it seems people want to believe only what they see - illogical. 

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Stats should add to and clarify what you see, not override it. Naby is playing a lot worse than he did in Germany and isn’t fitting that well into the system. A bit like Shaq. It might have something to do with injuries, the league, not getting the tactical side, or a mixture. He’s quite obviously not at his best. 

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4 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Stats should add to and clarify what you see, not override it. Naby is playing a lot worse than he did in Germany and isn’t fitting that well into the system. A bit like Shaq. It might have something to do with injuries, the league, not getting the tactical side, or a mixture. He’s quite obviously not at his best. 

 

This. 100%

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21 minutes ago, LF:D said:

OMG just read that.

 

"Clarify what you see" - LOL 

 

Yes no bias at all! 

 

I'm not sure what you mean by this.

 

I'm a fan of Naby. He brings something different and works very hard in tight spots - always looking for the forward pass. But if you compare his performances with his time in Germany then there's something just not right. Maybe that's what JK wants, maybe it's Naby not settling. Who knows? But it's undeniable regardless of what stats say.

 

You do know that the human brain is more capable than computers? It's one of the reasons humans are better at galaxy identification than computers. So maybe, just maybe, the human eye can spot that Naby isn't performing at his peak, regardless of what any amount of "Stats" tell.

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4 minutes ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

OMG and LOL in the same post.

 

That's ruined my day.

I put him on ignore ages ago, but it looks like he’s quoting me there. Well, a very small part of something I said. Nice to know I still annoy LFD from beyond the veil. OMG LOL BMW BBC. 

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58 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

 

I'm not sure what you mean by this.

 

I'm a fan of Naby. He brings something different and works very hard in tight spots - always looking for the forward pass. But if you compare his performances with his time in Germany then there's something just not right. Maybe that's what JK wants, maybe it's Naby not settling. Who knows? But it's undeniable regardless of what stats say.

 

You do know that the human brain is more capable than computers? It's one of the reasons humans are better at galaxy identification than computers. So maybe, just maybe, the human eye can spot that Naby isn't performing at his peak, regardless of what any amount of "Stats" tell.

the human brain also beats the robot in picking out the 4 out of 8 photos that feature a bridge or road sign.

 

we are not robots!!

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I literally can’t believe everyone doesn’t see everything the exact same way I do. If only they could drop their bias and prejudice (clearly the only reason they don’t agree with me) they’d see what I do with my perfectly untrammelled objectivity, as confirmed by the ultimate authority on such matters; myself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yeah - for a £50 million midfielder, I'm most interested in the clinical pieces of skill - the goals, the assists, the 'De Bruyne quality'. Maybe that's an error of thinking on my part overlooking those other items. I do think that those other items can be inflated in the context of a team game. Are Keita's 'pressing-stats' (however those are defined) any better than Wijnaldum's? Henderson's? That's a genuine question - because playing in the greatest team in the world I would sort of expect metrics like 'passing the ball forward' to be very high, by definition of the way the team plays and the movement of our world class players around him, but maybe its not the case. 30 odd games, couple of goals and a couple of assists. From a 50 million £ midfielder who is playing 'well'? hmm

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