Grenfall Tower Fire

[Kloppite]

Dont agree mate

If its started because the council have not kept the safety standards up that is important

True people have been saying there have been electrical problems in the flats.

[magicrat]

Looks dreadful and you can only imagine what the poor bastards stuck at the top went through, Some serious questions to be asked about whether fire regulations were flouted,

As usual the conspiracy theories are rife, There are some utter bellends out there and just waiting for Trump to blame ISIS 

Bets on the first Tory to show up and try to make political capital out of it . My money is on Gove

[Champ]

Even reading this thread beforehand didn't prepare me for the pictures on the BBC. It looks horrendous

[clangers]

Truly horrifying. Given the height of the building you'd assume in this day and age they were equipped with effective anti-fire systems? There's no way the fire brigade can tackle a fire above the first dozen floors.

[Lee909]

Just gone outside.

You can smell the burning plastic here. Well i asuming its from there as there are no factories or fire that burn plastic round here.

[Anubis]

Bets on the first Tory to show up and try to make political capital out of it . My money is on Gove

 

I doubt very much any of them will, considering it's a heavily Conservative council who are responsible for the property.

[Chip Butty]

Beeb reporting that the fire warning notices in the flats had a "stay put" directive, if the fire was not directly effecting your flat. 

[1892-LFCWasBorn]

I doubt very much any of them will, considering it's a heavily Conservative council who are responsible for the property.

 

Anyone hear the the council leader being interviewed on Sky News earlier? He sounded like a complete cunt when questioned about the management of the building.

 

No doubt they'll blame it on Brexit or the state of the economy that Labour left the country in.

[stringvest]

Sounds like the firemen couldn't access the riser containing the water supply which would have allowed them to tackle the blaze from inside

[Lee909]

Anyone hear the the council leader being interviewed on Sky News earlier? He sounded like a complete cunt when questioned about the management of the building.

 

No doubt they'll blame it on Brexit or the state of the economy that Labour left the country in.

Heard a woman in BBC earlier.

She was on the full defensive,claiming a safety test was just past a few weeks back.

[Paulie Dangerously]

Lot of accusations on Twitter about safety concerns raised by the residence.  Think it's important to also note that a local Councillor was interviewed live on BBC this morning who confirmed after the refurb they had a fire inspection and everything was fine. 

[Section_31]

Heard some talk of the fire brigade not having the right gear, 'austerity' again? 

[Lee909]

Obviously wasn't fine though.

In no way should one flat fire send the whole block up like that in such a short time

[magicrat]

I doubt very much any of them will, considering it's a heavily Conservative council who are responsible for the property.

Oh I don't know mate. " The country needs to come together in these difficult times and put their differences aside to support one another, We are committed to making Britain a better, safer place for all its citizens as we head into a post Brexit future " I've applied for the speech-writing vacancy at No 10 by the way,

 

Meanwhile back in the real world if the Tory council has turned a blind eye to whats been going on then a few heads on spikes would be in order, 

[Kloppite]

Beeb reporting that the fire warning notices in the flats had a "stay put" directive, if the fire was not directly effecting your flat.

I thought that was the protocol for all high rise flats tbf. In normal circumstances I think it is sound advice incase of fumes but the nature of this fire it was a bad thing.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Horrendous,, those poor people. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Astounding the way it took hold so quickly.

 

Can't begin to imagine the sheer panic that those high up in the building were going through. Anybody caught in it, really.

 

I'd hate to "go" like that. Quietly in one's sleep will be just fine for me.

[clangers]

Sounds like the firemen couldn't access the riser containing the water supply which would have allowed them to tackle the blaze from inside

Yep one guy saying he helped the fire brigade carry hoses to the nearest water supply as the water supply near the building wasn't working.

 

Clearly if this building has passed safety regulations then the regulations are worthless or more likely haven't been enforced? This is going to be a huge scandal, listening to the Tory councillor this morning they're already very defensive.

[clangers]

Astounding the way it took hold so quickly.

 

Can't begin to imagine the sheer panic that those high up in the building were going through. Anybody caught in it, really.

 

I'd hate to "go" like that. Quietly in one's sleep will be just fine for me.

It's a horrifying thought, burn or jump to your death? Reminiscent of 9/11.

[Lee909]

Whoever passed it safe needs to be in the docks with the councillors.

[magicrat]

Yep one guy saying he helped the fire brigade carry hoses to the nearest water supply as the water supply near the building wasn't working.

 

Clearly if this building has passed safety regulations then the regulations are worthless or more likely haven't been enforced? This is going to be a huge scandal, listening to the Tory councillor this morning they're already very defensive.

 

I've seen no evidence to say certain people haven't been greased up to look the other way..  Residents have been making a noise about safety issues for a while by all accounts

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

It's a horrifying thought, burn or jump to your death? Reminiscent of 9/11.

Jump.

 

On that subject, unconfirmed eye witness accounts of a baby being thrown from a 10th floor window and being caught and a 4 or 5 year old thrown from a 6th floor window, not caught but got away with bruises and some broken bones, which you'd take any day over the alternative.

[Baresi]

A Sky News reporter has been slammed for telling a boy who escaped a burning tower block the 'plus side' was he would miss school.

Mark White was branded an "idiot" by social media users after he interviewed the boy with his grandmother after they fled the flames.

After asking him how he got out of the burning tower block, he told the boy: "So no school for you today then... it has a plus side I guess."

[Lee909]

I actually say a really interesting device being shown a few months back.

 

Pretty much a abseiling type contraption that attached to a secured point by a window or door to get you out of higher floor flats

[clangers]

 

A Sky News reporter has been slammed for telling a boy who escaped a burning tower block the 'plus side' was he would miss school.

Mark White was branded an "idiot" by social media users after he interviewed the boy with his grandmother after they fled the flames.

 

After asking him how he got out of the burning tower block, he told the boy: "So no school for you today then... it has a plus side I guess."

 

I've seen pretty insensitive interviewing of witnesses on both the BBC and Sky this morning. Many of those poor people have clearly experienced a terrible event. Sky appear to be pretty keen to get the number of fatalities.