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3 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

there is an assistant in the room and that is it. 

 

to be fair to oliver, i am not sure he had much of a view. why would he ask for clarification if he didn't know it was a bad challenge? the lino did though. 

the new handball. you can now use the part of your arm that has a short sleeve shirt. 

Oliver should have spoken to the lino and asked his opinion then gone to VAR. Should be obvious to him and any decent ref

They job is really difficult so it should be second nature to get a 2nd opinion

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1 minute ago, mattyq said:

Oliver should have spoken to the lino and asked his opinion then gone to VAR. Should be obvious to him and any decent ref

They job is really difficult so it should be second nature to get a 2nd opinion

i think that is the lino's job to draw his attention. i don't see how it is obvious. let's assume he hasn't seen it at all. his lino flags and he knows there is someone watching on tv with as many replays as he wants. his assumption can't be it was a violent challenge. he only reacts like you expect should he know it has been a bad challenge. 

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He shouldn't of needed attention brought to anything though really. Me personally I'd of thought hmmmm that player is on the floor receiving treatment and in a really bad way.. maybe I should take a look at this whilst he is being treated. Whats the point in the off pitch screen. 

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1 hour ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

He shouldn't of needed attention brought to anything though really. Me personally I'd of thought hmmmm that player is on the floor receiving treatment and in a really bad way.. maybe I should take a look at this whilst he is being treated. Whats the point in the off pitch screen. 

players are always on the floor getting treatment. it doesn't make them red card offences. olivers position was pretty much where you would expect, but it meant he was in about the worst possible position to see the vvd incident, there's about 16 players between oliver and the challenge - the lino should have a great view though (and I assume does because they flag for the pen). as for the monitor, he can only use that should the var official request him to. 

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Just now, Barrington Womble said:

players are always on the floor getting treatment. it doesn't make them red card offences. olivers position was pretty much where you would expect, but it meant he was in about the worst possible position to see the vvd incident, there's about 16 players between oliver and the challenge - the lino should have a great view though (and I assume does because they flag for the pen). as for the monitor, he can only use that should the var official request him to. 

Then its all bullshit. 

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I think Mr Han-Man sat in the Gwladys end nodding his approval at Pickford while Van Dijk was dying on the floor should have been enough for the ref to think it worth another look. 

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On 19/10/2020 at 11:46, 1892-LFCWasBorn said:

 

Fuck, we're now at the point with Matip that we send him for scans when he's not injured just to make sure he's not injued. 

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Just now, Section_31 said:

Fuck, we're now at the point with Matip that we send him for scans when he's not injured just to make sure he's not injued. 

I wouldn't send him anywhere incase he gets injured 

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18 hours ago, dave u said:

Fuck that. He's literally the last centre back in the league I'd want. He'd get ruined playing a high line in a back four.

Going back to my post a couple of days back then...which attribute is it that you think we need the most?

Because we just can't afford, or even find, another player who ticks all boxes that Virgil does.

 

  • Pace
  • Power
  • Strength
  • Aerial ability
  • Passing
  • Tackling
  • Leadership
  • Experience
  • Technique

 

I think pace and aerial ability are vital, everything else is negotiable or can be mitigated. 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

Going back to my post a couple of days back then...which attribute is it that you think we need the most?

Because we just can't afford, or even find, another player who ticks all boxes that Virgil does.

 

  • Pace
  • Power
  • Strength
  • Aerial ability
  • Passing
  • Tackling
  • Leadership
  • Experience
  • Technique

 

I think pace and aerial ability are vital, everything else is negotiable or can be mitigated. 

 

 

 

Pretty much. Aerial ability one, pace two and ability on the ball three.

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20 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

Going back to my post a couple of days back then...which attribute is it that you think we need the most?

Because we just can't afford, or even find, another player who ticks all boxes that Virgil does.

 

  • Pace
  • Power
  • Strength
  • Aerial ability
  • Passing
  • Tackling
  • Leadership
  • Experience
  • Technique

 

I think pace and aerial ability are vital, everything else is negotiable or can be mitigated. 

 

 

 


 

But all these attributes, minimum 15+, into advanced search on Footy Manager and see what comes back. Easy.

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Organisation/Leadership as well....none of the others in there have any.

 

Way they stood and watched evertons players bully/crowd Adrian on his line saturday was a classic example.....VVD would have been all over that

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2 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

there is an assistant in the room and that is it. 

 

to be fair to oliver, i am not sure he had much of a view. why would he ask for clarification if he didn't know it was a bad challenge? the lino did though. 

the new handball. you can now use the part of your arm that has a short sleeve shirt. 

He was standing around for a couple of minutes, would it not be normal to enquire with the guy who has a TV to ask him what happened the chap? 

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1 minute ago, No2 said:

He was standing around for a couple of minutes, would it not be normal to enquire with the guy who has a TV to ask him what happened the chap? 

i don't know, i have never listened to the back and forth between a referee and a VAR to know if that is normal or not and what the protocols are. i have an impression the way it is reported, it is not a normal 2 way conversation and is driven by the var, but i don't know this to be the case. 

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55 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

i don't know, i have never listened to the back and forth between a referee and a VAR to know if that is normal or not and what the protocols are. i have an impression the way it is reported, it is not a normal 2 way conversation and is driven by the var, but i don't know this to be the case. 

I just think its normal in any life situation to ask someone that seen an incident, what happened and are they OK? They were standing around with nothing to do while the physios worked. Oliver is not the main issue here but he is also partially responsible. 

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2 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Fuck, we're now at the point with Matip that we send him for scans when he's not injured just to make sure he's not injued. 

 

I'm just waiting for them to find something wrong with him that is so rare, it ends up being called Matip Syndrome.

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32 minutes ago, No2 said:

I just think its normal in any life situation to ask someone that seen an incident, what happened and are they OK? They were standing around with nothing to do while the physios worked. Oliver is not the main issue here but he is also partially responsible. 

I would say out of 3 people who were in a position to figure this out, Oliver is the least to blame, followed by the lino. For me I can't get past anyone who has videos just brushes past it. Put yourself in Oliver's shoes, don't you think you should expect both you lino and var to pick that up without him holding their hand? He's the main official, so he has to accept some blame, but I just think it is just unacceptable from Coote to the point I don't think he should have a job. 

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The long twitter thread from Dale Johnson is informative regarding the offsides. However, note how often he mentions the word "subjective".

 

That's the problem. When it comes to major decisions like offsides, the decision is still subjective and prone to human error. The whole system would always be compromised by the incompetence of the officials. Because the cunts in the VAR review room still end up choosing which frame to use and where exactly to pin the initial line. 

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Dale Johnson also highlighted how Coote and Oliver have already been involved in very poor decisions previously. And last night, both were at it again.

 

Jimenez kicked out in retaliation at Koch's cock. Coote did nothing and Oliver in the VAR review room also didn't bother with recommending any punishment.

 

Another controversial example of Oliver and Coote being in cahoots.

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1 hour ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

I'm just waiting for them to find something wrong with him that is so rare, it ends up being called Matip Syndrome.

We magnified the soft tissue and discovered it was made entirely of lallanas.

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