Virgil Van Dijk

[Mook]

11 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

We'll definitely have to agree to disagree about that one. The goal has nothing to do with him on Sunday (Bradley, Macca and konate all contributed to that). He was good at old Trafford. Our defence has been shaky for about 2 years. 

 

So their striker is standing in yards of space in the box when the cut back was made, both our centre backs are standing about like spare pricks at a whore's wedding & it's nothing to do with one of them?

 

I'm not having that.

[Barrington Womble]

Just now, Mook said:

 

So their striker is standing in yards of space in the box when the cut back was made, both our centre backs are standing about like spare pricks at a whore's wedding & it's nothing to do with either of them?

 

I'm not having that.

He was konates man playing on their left side. He was to be handled by Bradley, konate or endo & Macca if they're helping out. It would have been mental for vvd to come across because he's have left the back. He's not a one man defence. Bradley and konate both went to the ball and didn't get within 5 yards of it. Making them simple to bypass and leaving behind other players. 

[Mook]

3 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

He was konates man playing on their left side. He was to be handled by Bradley, konate or endo & Macca if they're helping out. It would have been mental for vvd to come across because he's have left the back. He's not a one man defence. Bradley and konate both went to the ball and didn't get within 5 yards of it. Making them simple to bypass and leaving behind other players. 

 

There was nobody at the back though.

 

Van Dijk could have easily come across and helped out IMO. He was only about 6yds away from the Palace boy who was standing on his own.

[TheHowieLama]

Are we into the specifics of the massive drop in form now?

[Barrington Womble]

5 minutes ago, Mook said:

 

There was nobody at the back though.

 

Van Dijk could have easily come across and helped out IMO. He was only about 6yds away from the Palace boy who was standing on his own.

As I say, let's agree to disagree. 

[Mook]

2 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

As I say, let's agree to disagree. 

 

I said that about 6 posts ago ya bastard*

 

*intended in good humour

[VladimirIlyich]

18 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

He was konates man playing on their left side. He was to be handled by Bradley, konate or endo & Macca if they're helping out. It would have been mental for vvd to come across because he's have left the back. He's not a one man defence. Bradley and konate both went to the ball and didn't get within 5 yards of it. Making them simple to bypass and leaving behind other players. 

VVD had to come across because its the responsibility of the closest man goalside of the attacker. Still mainly on Konate but he could have done better.

[Kevin D]

2 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

actually you criticised him for his lack of leadership. he's been a brilliant leader all season. he can't win matches on his own. he can't be the only leader on the pitch. he's just a little off form and even that isn't much, he's not awful - in fact aside from slipping over, he was fine on sunday, just not exceptional. 

 

diaz and nunez have played a lot. gakpo has been available all season, he just hasn't been very good. macca has missed very few games. there's plenty around the squad who have played well. very few have played near his level for the season though. 

As he’s captain, I group leadership with performance.

 

The team has conceded 12 goals in the last 6 games and outright capitulated in 2 of those matches. 
 

I’m not saying that’s his fault, but as the senior player in an inexperienced team I think he is accountable and should be doing more.

[Barrington Womble]

2 hours ago, VladimirIlyich said:

VVD had to come across because its the responsibility of the closest man goalside of the attacker. Still mainly on Konate but he could have done better.

Ok, so you think he should do more (I don't think he can)..does that make it a terrible all round performance? 

 

2 hours ago, Kevin D said:

As he’s captain, I group leadership with performance.

 

The team has conceded 12 goals in the last 6 games and outright capitulated in 2 of those matches. 
 

I’m not saying that’s his fault, but as the senior player in an inexperienced team I think he is accountable and should be doing more.

 

One man team syndrome then. He's been leading from the front all season. He's not superman. 

[3 Stacks]

He's been good this season, but when you're said to be the greatest centre back of all time and universes and your team hasn't been great at defending, you should get crticized. The leadership part of it, I don't care, because I can't speak to what he does in the dressing room and all that.

[VladimirIlyich]

11 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

Ok, so you think he should do more (I don't think he can)..does that make it a terrible all round performance? 

 

 

One man team syndrome then. He's been leading from the front all season. He's not superman. 

I never commented on his all round performance,just his role in the Palace goal. 

[coachpotato]

We don’t know what the players are told to do in defensive situations. Do they try and block off crosses? Do they have specific players to pick up? Do they grab the nearest shirt? Maybe all three?

What is certain is that a Palace player was stood in the box, on our 6 yard line, unmarked with no-one within tackling distance of him.

Penalty boxes are not ordered, they are chaotic, so it will be difficult to plan for exact situations.
We have been far too easy to score against though for most, if not all, of the season.

That’s got to be a collective responsibility surely?

 

[VladimirIlyich]

7 hours ago, coachpotato said:

We don’t know what the players are told to do in defensive situations. Do they try and block off crosses? Do they have specific players to pick up? Do they grab the nearest shirt? Maybe all three?

What is certain is that a Palace player was stood in the box, on our 6 yard line, unmarked with no-one within tackling distance of him.

Penalty boxes are not ordered, they are chaotic, so it will be difficult to plan for exact situations.
We have been far too easy to score against though for most, if not all, of the season.

That’s got to be a collective responsibility surely?

 

Pressure on the Ball.

Angle and Distance of support.

Compactness.

Communication.

Recovery runs.

 These are most of the basics of defending in almost every coaching course you go on. After this will be individual roles and working with players closest to you such as fellow defenders,goalkeeper etc.

[Mil-ing Around]

How people can blame Van Dijk or say he can do more for this goal is fucking crazy. This is the first run made by Mateta. He is VVD's man and he covers his run towards the near post. Robertson is picking up the other forward.

 

Mateta makes a 2nd movement and run to go behind VVD towards the centre of the goal. Van Dijk stops and adjusts to cover this. At this point his position as the left sided centre back is perfect. Mitchell is about to cross the ball, if he goes low and hard VVD is at the front post and he clears it. If Mitchell tries to lift it, Van Dijk heads anything away in the centre of the 6 yard box. (If it goes back post it's Robertson's area)

 

 

 

 

Once the cross goes through Endos legs Van Dijk realises there is nobody making the spare man and he still tries to get there.

 

 

By the time the ball is played wide to Mitchell (before he even touches it) there is 3.2 seconds before it is in the net. In that time you expect Van Dijk to cover 2 runs by the striker, stay in line with Konate and jump out and block Eze?

 

You people are fucking mental. 

 

Look at Konate in every screenshot he does nothing. He looks at Eze 3 times in that build up. And still doesn't step to his left.

 

Jones also doesn't cover himself in glory. He's standing behind Eze and he jumps out suddenly to press Walton, he should have waited and passed him on to Ibu before pressing out again. Or just let Endo and Mac Allister press and stayed behind Eze.

 

We have 6 players in that position (7 including Konate). They have 5, our lack of communication and discipline for this goal is shocking. But to expect Van Dijk to do more is stupid.

 

 

 

 

 

[KMD7]

1 hour ago, Mil-ing Around said:

How people can blame Van Dijk or say he can do more for this goal is fucking crazy. This is the first run made by Mateta. He is VVD's man and he covers his run towards the near post. Robertson is picking up the other forward.

 

Mateta makes a 2nd movement and run to go behind VVD towards the centre of the goal. Van Dijk stops and adjusts to cover this. At this point his position as the left sided centre back is perfect. Mitchell is about to cross the ball, if he goes low and hard VVD is at the front post and he clears it. If Mitchell tries to lift it, Van Dijk heads anything away in the centre of the 6 yard box. (If it goes back post it's Robertson's area)

 

 

 

 

Once the cross goes through Endos legs Van Dijk realises there is nobody making the spare man and he still tries to get there.

 

 

By the time the ball is played wide to Mitchell (before he even touches it) there is 3.2 seconds before it is in the net. In that time you expect Van Dijk to cover 2 runs by the striker, stay in line with Konate and jump out and block Eze?

 

You people are fucking mental. 

 

Look at Konate in every screenshot he does nothing. He looks at Eze 3 times in that build up. And still doesn't step to his left.

 

Jones also doesn't cover himself in glory. He's standing behind Eze and he jumps out suddenly to press Walton, he should have waited and passed him on to Ibu before pressing out again. Or just let Endo and Mac Allister press and stayed behind Eze.

 

We have 6 players in that position (7 including Konate). They have 5, our lack of communication and discipline for this goal is shocking. But to expect Van Dijk to do more is stupid.

 

 

 

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 True. 

 

 

[Barrington Womble]

On 17/04/2024 at 16:51, Mil-ing Around said:

How people can blame Van Dijk or say he can do more for this goal is fucking crazy. This is the first run made by Mateta. He is VVD's man and he covers his run towards the near post. Robertson is picking up the other forward.

 

Mateta makes a 2nd movement and run to go behind VVD towards the centre of the goal. Van Dijk stops and adjusts to cover this. At this point his position as the left sided centre back is perfect. Mitchell is about to cross the ball, if he goes low and hard VVD is at the front post and he clears it. If Mitchell tries to lift it, Van Dijk heads anything away in the centre of the 6 yard box. (If it goes back post it's Robertson's area)

 

 

 

 

Once the cross goes through Endos legs Van Dijk realises there is nobody making the spare man and he still tries to get there.

 

 

By the time the ball is played wide to Mitchell (before he even touches it) there is 3.2 seconds before it is in the net. In that time you expect Van Dijk to cover 2 runs by the striker, stay in line with Konate and jump out and block Eze?

 

You people are fucking mental. 

 

Look at Konate in every screenshot he does nothing. He looks at Eze 3 times in that build up. And still doesn't step to his left.

 

Jones also doesn't cover himself in glory. He's standing behind Eze and he jumps out suddenly to press Walton, he should have waited and passed him on to Ibu before pressing out again. Or just let Endo and Mac Allister press and stayed behind Eze.

 

We have 6 players in that position (7 including Konate). They have 5, our lack of communication and discipline for this goal is shocking. But to expect Van Dijk to do more is stupid.

 

 

 

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Yeah, but it's easier to hate on vvd because he looks a bit casual. Don't blame the big dope who plays next to him, because he's a monster. 

[TheHowieLama]

On 17/04/2024 at 11:51, Mil-ing Around said:

How people can blame Van Dijk or say he can do more for this goal is fucking crazy. This is the first run made by Mateta. He is VVD's man and he covers his run towards the near post. Robertson is picking up the other forward.

 

Mateta makes a 2nd movement and run to go behind VVD towards the centre of the goal. Van Dijk stops and adjusts to cover this. At this point his position as the left sided centre back is perfect. Mitchell is about to cross the ball, if he goes low and hard VVD is at the front post and he clears it. If Mitchell tries to lift it, Van Dijk heads anything away in the centre of the 6 yard box. (If it goes back post it's Robertson's area)

 

 

 

 

Once the cross goes through Endos legs Van Dijk realises there is nobody making the spare man and he still tries to get there.

 

 

By the time the ball is played wide to Mitchell (before he even touches it) there is 3.2 seconds before it is in the net. In that time you expect Van Dijk to cover 2 runs by the striker, stay in line with Konate and jump out and block Eze?

 

You people are fucking mental. 

 

Look at Konate in every screenshot he does nothing. He looks at Eze 3 times in that build up. And still doesn't step to his left.

 

Jones also doesn't cover himself in glory. He's standing behind Eze and he jumps out suddenly to press Walton, he should have waited and passed him on to Ibu before pressing out again. Or just let Endo and Mac Allister press and stayed behind Eze.

 

We have 6 players in that position (7 including Konate). They have 5, our lack of communication and discipline for this goal is shocking. But to expect Van Dijk to do more is stupid.

 

 

 

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The fact the cut back went through endos legs and just by Konate - also in position to block it - is just bad luck.

[Code]

What is Diaz doing is my question.

 

 

[Smell The Glove]

55 minutes ago, Code said:

What is Diaz doing is my question.

 

 

Waiting to get any interception where he can then run at a defender, pretend to go on the outside 3 or 4 times before running into traffic on his right foot.