Virgil Van Dijk

[El Dangerous]

Yeah I'm guessing if he was for sale at any point they'd have thrown an extra £10m on his asking price along with that apology and he'd be our player by now. Bollocks.

[Bjornebye]

He will be a Liverpool player by September the 1st. 

[Brownie]

He will be a Liverpool player by September the 1st.

2018?

[jimmycase]

Interesting.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/philippe-coutinho-virgil-van-dijk-neymar-liverpool-barcelona-southampton-a7898356.html

 

On Wednesday, Southampton chairman Ralph Krueger set as unmoving a stance as possible for this window and insisted Virgil van Dijk is “not for sale”, but there are some close to the club who believe there is still a degree of flexibility to that. 

They feel that the hierarchy are just waiting for Liverpool to sell Philippe Coutinho to Barcelona, so that they can then charge the Anfield club even more for the Dutch defender. Maybe above £80m. 

Liverpool, meanwhile, have set as strong a stance on the Brazilian as Southampton did with Van Dijk and have no public will to sell to Barcelona, but there are similarly some who believe that there is a price Anfield just couldn’t turn down. That price is probably much higher than it would have been even a month ago, thanks to Neymar’s record-breaking transfer to PSG.

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Money has shaped the Premier League - but it needn't define it

Since Barca sold the Brazilian star for £198 against their will, anyone they want to fill the player’s shoes will immediately be priced in relation to that deal. Coutinho may not be as good as Neymar but he is a seriously talented young midfielder who Barcelona would mould into one of new focal points of their team, so £160m would seem fair - and very difficult to turn down.

This is one of a few big reasons why so many fees are now so high, why someone as admittedly talented as Borussia Dortmund’s Ousmane Dembele can be priced at over £100m after just six good months, and why everyone from Arsene Wenger to Carlo Ancelotti to Jose Mourinho has complained about a market that is “out of control”.

That market is certainly out of sync with inflation. While Alan Shearer’s record transfer to Newcastle wowed the world in 1996, that price of £15m would be just over £25m today. That is a mere 13 per cent of Neymar’s deal.

Neymar signed for PSG for £200m (Getty)

The football business itself has of course drastically transformed in the 21 years since then, and is barely recognisable in a commercial sense. Clubs have transformed as businesses. As one indication, Exxon was the biggest company in the world in 2005 at £363bn. Its worth has more doubled in 11 years, compared to how Manchester United's market cap over the same timescale more than tripled. The growth of football clubs has thereby outstripped broader industries, further explaining this escalation in transfers.

The broadcasting money in the Premier League, in particular, has created a seller’s market where everyone sees English clubs coming, and thereby immediately jacks up their prices, so that full-backs now go for more than £50m. And that is still despite the fact those same English clubs have been generally reluctant to go so high and don’t want to be seen spending too easily for fear that a market precedent could set.

Neymar's sale has had huge ripple effects on the transfer market (Getty Images)

Many at the top end of the game and directly involved in its commercial side feel that this is far from the case with Paris Saint-Germain. There is a belief from some that the French club are trying to “short-squeeze” the market, and pay huge amounts and huge wages for as many big-name players as possible, knowing in the long term that only very few clubs will be able to afford them.

It remains to be seen whether that fear is justified, but it will have only been deepened by widespread accounts that Real Madrid simply can’t match the deal that PSG would be willing to give Monaco’s Kylian Mbappe. One source has it that the teenager’s entourage went to the Bernabeu hierarchy explaining what is on the table from Paris, but that Madrid could not get close to it.

It is also why the size of the Neymar deal may have seemed unique but could yet have common effects, as illustrated by the suspected transfer trail from the Brazilian to Van Dijk. Even if no signing goes as sensationally high as Neymar’s, Barca’s next deal is influenced by it and their necessity to buy, thus creating a knock-on effect. That’s why the valuation for a player of a certain standard at the top end of the scale is now breaching £100m.

Real Madrid can't match the deal PSG are offering Mbappe (AFP/Getty Images)

The economist in Wenger once again spotted this before anyone, arguing just after Paul Pogba’s 2016 transfer that “it will not be long before we see a £150m or £200m signing”. It has all escalated, and won’t stop until the money coming in does, as Wenger also argued back then. “Since I started in the game I said, at some stage, it has to stop but as long as football develops and becomes more popular you would say that more money will come in. “ 

It doesn’t mean that short-squeeze approach is absolutely destined for success, or that it will completely distort the market. There are still only a finite number of players that can be bought by the wealthiest clubs, amid a huge global player population. As Monaco have shown, a lower-scale investment in proper scouting can still have much greater returns. 

Wenger foresaw the days of the £200m transfer fee (Arsenal FC)

We also still see a market where Juventus have been able to buy Blaise Matuidi for £20m. This is one offset by outrageous expenditure. Just like with Real Madrid themselves in 2009 - when they twice broke the world record with Kaka and then Cristiano Ronaldo - they then have to offload players just to create squad space, in situations that suddenly favour the buyer.

It emphasises that, even in a market that is “out of control”, some composed thinking can still go a long way. Money may still talk louder than anything in football, but it doesn’t always have the last word. 

But a suitably outrageous price may still mean, however, that the last words in the Van Dijk and Coutinho situations are “yes, we’ll sell”.

[an tha]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/virgil-van-dijk-hopes-fade-13489153

[jimmycase]

When questioned about van dijk's selection southampton manager says van dijk no longer has avirus, is still training away from the 1st team squad and is not available for selection.

[Grinch]

He hasn't got a hope in hell of ever living up to that prize tag.

 

Sergio Ramos, Bonnuci, David Luiz and the other top centre backs must be worth Neymar money.

[Jockey]

Basically, Southamptons statement of intent in standing up to the big 6, See Mirror today, is a pile of shit.

 

Give the whores the money and they'll be on all fours begging us to fist them.

[Boss]

I can see what's shaping up to happen here, and it's Michael Edwards walking to his car on deadline day with Van Dijk going to Chelsea and both the Southampton and Chelsea fans having a long hard laugh at us.

 

We need to stop that from happening. Sign Hoedt for £15m now. Hit them before they hit us. Don't allow them to get their replacement in and then take the piss out of us. 

[J-V]

Exactly what I was thinking. I've never seen Hoedt play yet know he's better than Lovren.

[Brownie]

Why is this thread still going? He's going nowhere, time to move on.

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

Let's see if we can get this up to 200 pages of dashed dreams by the 31st August

[liverpoolsno9]

Why is this thread still going? He's going nowhere, time to move on.

 

 

 

He's coming the last day of the window. Soton know they can't keep an unhappy player. They also know that if they take 70m for him now, they'll be under all sorts of pressure from the fans for selling to us and they'll also be under pressure to spend the money and even if they did spend some of it, the selling Clubs will ask for more. The owners want to pocket the majority of it and selling on the last day will give them an ideal excuse. The deal has already been struck, hence the lack of movement and no real links to anyone. The same with Keita. Phil will leave on the last day too. I'm an ITK.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

I'm SpartITKus this is going down players....

 

Outgoings

 

Moreno - 17m

Klavan - 3m

Karius - 10m

 

All after the CL qualifier. Coutinho is staying put.

 

Incoming

 

Virgil Van Dijk - 65m

Naby Keita - 65m

Diego Costa - 65m

 

All by next Friday.

 

 

SpartITKus

 

This guy knows his shit, first one to announce us signing Adam Bogdan.

[Red House]

I can see what's shaping up to happen here, and it's Michael Edwards walking to his car on deadline day with Van Dijk going to Chelsea and both the Southampton and Chelsea fans having a long hard laugh at us.

 

We need to stop that from happening. Sign Hoedt for £15m now. Hit them before they hit us. Don't allow them to get their replacement in and then take the piss out of us.

Only saw him a couple of times, but he looked a bit shit. I would much rather get Dr Vrij and fuck any chance of Lazio selling Hoedt to them.

[Boss]

Only saw him a couple of times, but he looked a bit shit. I would much rather get Dr Vrij and fuck any chance of Lazio selling Hoedt to them.

 

The only reason i say that is he's meant to have the best aerial stats in the whole of Serie A. That alone would be enough of a reason to sign him. Tired of seeing our pair of gimps (Lovren and Moreno) gifting the opposition goal scoring chances all the time. 

[INTORRESTING]

The times are saying Pellegrino has no funds and the article hints at the new guy borrowing from various sources. It all looks a bit Hicks and Gillett

[J-V]

The times are saying Pellegrino has no funds and the article hints at the new guy borrowing from various sources. It all looks a bit Hicks and Gillett

Shame...

[Jockey]

The times are saying Pellegrino has no funds and the article hints at the new guy borrowing from various sources. It all looks a bit Hicks and Gillett

 

So, 'Not going anywhere' is actually 'Give us a silly offer and he's yours'! 

 

Anyone else think - they made that statement on the back of the Coutinho rumours? They would be daft to sell for £65m if we suddenly end up with £135m - adds at least 20% to the original fee. 

[Vincent Vega]

So, 'Not going anywhere' is actually 'Give us a silly offer and he's yours'!

 

Anyone else think - they made that statement on the back of the Coutinho rumours? They would be daft to sell for £65m if we suddenly end up with £135m - adds at least 20% to the original fee.

Agreed, I've been thinking for a while that they just want to completely rinse us, and I think Leipzig are trying the same with Keita.

 

Klopp mentioned us possibly doing business on deadline day, I have a feeling that VVD at least will join by the end of the window.

[Jay86]

The times are saying Pellegrino has no funds and the article hints at the new guy borrowing from various sources. It all looks a bit Hicks and Gillett

I read a quote saying they have to sell to buy. If their end game was to sell to us regardless why the fuck would they drag it on and on. Like with Coutinho if we end up selling him this window I'd rather we had sold him when interest first came about and it was clear he wanted to move, if it's to appease the fans I will, as will Southampton fans, be more pissed off if we've spent all summer saying he's not going there then he goes anyway.

[Jockey]

I read a quote saying they have to sell to buy. If their end game was to sell to us regardless why the fuck would they drag it on and on. Like with Coutinho if we end up selling him this window I'd rather we had sold him when interest first came about and it was clear he wanted to move, if it's to appease the fans I will, as will Southampton fans, be more pissed off if we've spent all summer saying he's not going there then he goes anyway.

 

Because they don't give a fuck. They have a minimum £60m guaranteed should they need to cash it in. 

[Lario]

I'm SpartITKus this is going down players....

 

Outgoings

 

Moreno - 17m

Klavan - 3m

Karius - 10m

 

All after the CL qualifier. Coutinho is staying put.

 

Incoming

 

Virgil Van Dijk - 65m

Naby Keita - 65m

Diego Costa - 65m

 

All by next Friday.

 

 

SpartITKus

 

This guy knows his shit, first one to announce us signing Adam Bogdan.

 

Awesome.

 

Just put the mortgage on it.

 

Think I might prefer Sanchez from Arsenal for £65m. Would probably suit our style more.

[Jay86]

Because they don't give a fuck. They have a minimum £60m guaranteed should they need to cash it in.

It's more of a pisstake to the fans by dragging it on is what I'm trying to say, I can see why they'd do it to get more money for him but if your telling your fans that he's 100% staying then sell him, Southampton fans won't believe a word they say.

[Thoth]

If you translated all the 136 pages of the thread into spanish would this be a replica of the Barca version of the Liverpool way about Phil