Klopp's Methods Getting Stick Again...

[Jennings]

I'll save my praise for when I see where we finish.

[VladimirIlyich]

I'll save my praise for when I see where we finish.

Correct.

[stringvest]

I wouldn't get too excited by the (very welcome) 1-0.  I'd need to see another 20 of them before I start thinking he's improved our defence.  Look how many goals we've leaked this season.  

[Aventus]

I don't know if it's been mentioned but I read that at 66 points with 5 games left we already have a higher points total than 6 out of the last 7 seasons.

 

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[Lee909]

66pts was enough for top 4 last year. If we win all 5 remaining games it would have been enough for the title on GD too

[VladimirIlyich]

If it wasnt for that pesky African Nations Cup taking Mane away we'd be challenging for the title now.

[Lee909]

If it wasnt for that pesky African Nations Cup taking Mane away we'd be challenging for the title now.

Not even that

We lost to Burnley,Hull,Swansea and Dropped 4pts to Bournemouth

 

No excuses wether we had Mane or not

[Jose Jones]

Not even that

We lost to Burnley,Hull,Swansea and Dropped 4pts to Bournemouth

 

No excuses wether we had Mane or not

It's frustrating as all hell really, especially with Chelsea now wobbling.

When you're going through a bad patch you either need a couple of quality players to score goals to get you wins, or a defence capable of keeping clean sheets to help you grind out results.

With Mane away it showed we were lacking that other quality player (plus Coutinho was injured and/or a bit shit) and the defence. We're not far away, but the last two seasons have been decent opportunities to win the fucking thing if we'd just had our act together.

[3 Stacks]

As long as we qualify for Champions League football this season he'll have justified his methods and decisions. That's the most important thing we can achieve as a club at the moment as it will make us so much more attractive as a destination for good players and he'll be able to truly build the team in his image.

[Total Longo]

66pts was enough for top 4 last year. If we win all 5 remaining games it would have been enough for the title on GD too

 

How utterly depressing. 

[VladimirIlyich]

How utterly depressing.

Says more about how shit the PL is than anything else,despite Sky's orgasmic presentation.

[Philbert]

As long as we qualify for Champions League football this season he'll have justified his methods and decisions. That's the most important thing we can achieve as a club at the moment as it will make us so much more attractive as a destination for good players and he'll be able to truly build the team in his image.

Not entirely sure CL qualification counts for anything as LFC are concerned. Seem to recall a shit transfer window after we finished runners up to Man City?

[3 Stacks]

The Champions League means everything. Without it good players think we're a small club and even a waster with health problems like Gotze rejected us because we weren't in it.

[aRdja]

The Champions League means everything. Without it good players think we're a small club and even a waster with health problems like Gotze rejected us because we weren't in it.

It doesn't really. No CL means you just have to pay more money. Like Utd had to for Pogba for example.

[3 Stacks]

Only a select few clubs in the world can afford to be so stupid with money like United and we aren't one of them. We need to offer a solid footballing project to attract players. Without Champions League football we aren't an attractive club. Even if we were willing to offer Paul Pogba ridiculous wages and we gave Juve 90m, he'd still laugh in our face.

[aRdja]

Only a select few clubs in the world can afford to be so stupid with money like United and we aren't one of them. We need to offer a solid footballing project to attract players. Without Champions League football we aren't an attractive club. Even if we were willing to offer Paul Pogba ridiculous wages and we gave Juve 90m, he'd still laugh in our face.

Off the top of my head Utd signed Di Maria without the CL. City signed Toure and Silva without CL. Chelsea signed David Luiz and Kante without CL. We've made more money than any club in the world from player sales, so we have the money.. the owners just aren't willing to spend

[VladimirIlyich]

Not entirely sure CL qualification counts for anything as LFC are concerned. Seem to recall a shit transfer window after we finished runners up to Man City?

I'd wager that if our current manager had the same budget as our previous one had in that window our signings would be much less shit.

[3 Stacks]

Off the top of my head Utd signed Di Maria without the CL. City signed Toure and Silva without CL. Chelsea signed David Luiz and Kante without CL. We've made more money than any club in the world from player sales, so we have the money.. the owners just aren't willing to spend

 

Chelsea won the title two years earlier, United are one of the biggest clubs in the world and Man City are bankrolled by a royal family. These situations aren't comparable to ours as we've been shit for almost a decade, we've seen our status as a club dwindle and we don't have a billion pounds to build a team. We need Champions League football to attract big players, it's that simple. 

[jimmycase]

Off the top of my head Utd signed Di Maria without the CL. City signed Toure and Silva without CL. Chelsea signed David Luiz and Kante without CL. We've made more money than any club in the world from player sales, so we have the money.. the owners just aren't willing to spend

 

So you're saying the owners should go over Klopps' head and buy players he doesnt want just so we can say we spent £40m - £50m on a player or players?

 

I seem to recall us spending £35m on carroll, £20m on downing, £20m on markovic, £18m on Sakho, £29m on Firmino, £32m on Benteke, £25m on Wijnaldum, £30m on Mane etc. How much did lovren cost, £20m?

[RobbieOR]

We undoubtedly need Champions League football. As a club we need it and we have suffered without it. 

 

Keep finishing outside it and it's disastrous.

[aRdja]

So you're saying the owners should go over Klopps' head and buy players he doesnt want just so we can say we spent £40m - £50m on a player or players?

 

I seem to recall us spending £35m on carroll, £20m on downing, £20m on markovic, £18m on Sakho, £29m on Firmino, £32m on Benteke, £25m on Wijnaldum, £30m on Mane etc.

No, I'm saying missing out on the CL should be a reason to invest more money, as opposed to an excuse not to spend.

[stringvest]

Chelsea won the title two years earlier, United are one of the biggest clubs in the world and Man City are bankrolled by a royal family. These situations aren't comparable to ours as we've been shit for almost a decade, we've seen our status as a club dwindle and we don't have a billion pounds to build a team. We need Champions League football to attract big players, it's that simple. 

 

 

I think the amount of pull we have - to a 20 year old player - is vastly overrated by us.  We probably have no more than Spurs if truth be told, possibly less, and certainly less than Arsenal, City, United, Chelsea.  To a young player, our history is ancient, and has no relevance to football today.  It's like me thinking about what relevance a club's success in the 1950s would have in the 1970s.  I can just about remember back to the 70s - and the answer would be 'fuck all'.  

 

Plus, we have no demonstrable ambition over the past decade.  We have Klopp, who must have some pull, but that won't beat a big contract and the chance to play with big names and play regularly in the CL.

[jimmycase]

No, I'm saying missing out on the CL should be a reason to invest more money, as opposed to an excuse not to spend.

 

So your beef is the fact that the owners have stopped selling our players for peanuts and got a proper valuation for them because you say they have a profit and havent spent. Yet, all those players I mentioned have cost at least £20m (except sakho).

[Joey8FrogsLegs]

No, I'm saying missing out on the CL should be a reason to invest more money, as opposed to an excuse not to spend.

I think this kind of thinking was what fucked Leeds up financially.

[aRdja]

I think the amount of pull we have - to a 20 year old player - is vastly overrated by us. We probably have no more than Spurs if truth be told, possibly less, and certainly less than Arsenal, City, United, Chelsea. To a young player, our history is ancient, and has no relevance to football today. It's like me thinking about what relevance a club's success in the 1950s would have in the 1970s. I can just about remember back to the 70s - and the answer would be 'fuck all'.

 

Plus, we have no demonstrable ambition over the past decade. We have Klopp, who must have some pull, but that won't beat a big contract and the chance to play with big names and play regularly in the CL.

Agreed. Hence we need to spend money, like City, United and Chelsea do.