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It would be right to aspire to a position where a club submits a formal bid for a player and, once given permission to speak to him, then agree terms.

 

It would be wrong to assume we're an outlier in the way the system currently works with the players interest tested before the clubs.

 

People hang off every word Paul Joyce says then slag off the club for leaking the information to him yet, in his own words, the majority of the information on Keita, as an example, is coming from abroad. Infact I believe he said very little is cominv from the club at the moment, Van Dijk was obviously different.

 

We say the club should shut up shop then complain that the absence of information is proof of the absence of work being done.

 

We criticise the club and say how disgraceful it is that we've tapped up a player and how our best players would be well within their rights to want a move to a less morally dubious club then try to ship them off to Barcelona without a hint of irony.

 

We judge the efficency of other clubs signings by the day they're signed and ours from the day they're first mooted as a target all while ignoring the endless headlines and assuming we should just put the money on the table like they do.

 

It's an endless stream of contradictions and willful ignorance to whats going on around us, we don't exist in a bubble, we aren't leaving players in limbo and jeopardising their futures, it isn't the most embarrasing thing to ever happen to a club, we're just going the the messy process of transfers the same as everyone else to varying degrees of success.

Yet again you miss the point ( you do that quite a lot so I'm sure it is deliberate)

 

I don't mind us testing a players interest, everyone does this and there are ways of doing this which doesn't leave you open to upsetting all and sundry and/ or sanctions.

 

What we need to realise is that if we try to buy players who are under long contracts, we will have to pay a premium.

 

If your Manager wants this player and you want to back him they you have to pay something like the price on the ticket. That is the market.

 

I don't know how old you are, but I remember when LFC were the pinicle in Europe and in those days, we may have been able to drive prices down as we all but guaranteed league titles, European cups and other trophies. We didn't act like twats then, and we shouldn't now. Players would have walked over hot coals to come here.

 

Nowadays, there are other, more successful in a contemporary way at least, options for players and they will go elsewhere whilst all we do is talk a good fight

 

Shit or get off the pot

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Yet again you miss the point ( you do that quite a lot so I'm sure it is deliberate)

I don't mind us testing a players interest, everyone does this and there are ways of doing this which doesn't leave you open to upsetting all and sundry and/ or sanctions.

What we need to realise is that if we try to buy players who are under long contracts, we will have to pay a premium.

If your Manager wants this player and you want to back him they you have to pay something like the price on the ticket. That is the market.

I don't know how old you are, but I remember when LFC were the pinicle in Europe and in those days, we may have been able to drive prices down as we all but guaranteed league titles, European cups and other trophies. We didn't act like twats then, and we shouldn't now. Players would have walked over hot coals to come here.

Nowadays, there are other, more successful in a contemporary way at least, options for players and they will go elsewhere whilst all we do is talk a good fight

Shit or get off the pot

 

Spot on.

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We also have to realise that if you want to buy a player on a long contract that the club doesn't want to sell then it's not going to happen on a supporters timescale but on the selling clubs doesn't matter how much money you have or what order you speak to the club and player.

 

It'd be interesting to know how many times a club is approached before a buying club reaches an agreement with a player/players intermediaries.

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We also have to realise that if you want to buy a player on a long contract that the club doesn't want to sell then it's not going to happen on a supporters timescale but on the selling clubs doesn't matter how much money you have or what order you speak to the club and player.

 

It'd be interesting to know how many times a club is approached before a buying club reaches an agreement with a player/players intermediaries.

Timescale doesn't bother me too much, it's more the actual will to get the transfer done.

 

If the selling club have no will, move on. The problem I have is that I don't believe the will is here at LFC, although they can't admit it as that wouldn't fit with " we can compete with anyone "

 

Can and won't are 2 completely different things

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Timescale doesn't bother me too much, it's more the actual will to get the transfer done.

 

If the selling club have no will, move on. The problem I have is that I don't believe the will is here at LFC, although they can't admit it as that wouldn't fit with " we can compete with anyone "

 

Can and won't are 2 completely different things

If the will wasn't there there's a hell of a lot easier ways to go about it. The bullshit we saw about intentionally tapping up van Dijk to sabotage the deal was bizarre.

 

Assuming you have kids whats the easieat way not to take them to Disneyland, is it to not mention Disneyland and book somewhere else or tell them they're going string them along and book somewhere else at the last minute?

 

We might sign Keita and Van Dijk, we might sign one, we might sign different players but it doesn't make the interest any less real.

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If the will wasn't there there's a hell of a lot easier ways to go about it. The bullshit we saw about intentionally tapping up van Dijk to sabotage the deal was bizarre.

 

We might sign Keita and Van Dijk, we might sign one, we might sign different players but it doesn't make the interest any less real.

There is a difference between interest and actually going all out to get your primary target(s)

 

We have to look like we are trying to keep the sheep interested - doesn't mean we have any intention of actually getting it over the line.

 

But at least we tried and there is always next year eh? Doesn't bring titles or trophies does though and before you know it, you have gone a decade without winning anything.

 

I fucking hate the mancs but they were in danger of falling into the wilderness, so they did something about it and got the players they wanted. Hey presto 2 trophies and CL footy. Shows what happens when you have more than an interest in players that improve you

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There is a difference between interest and actually going all out to get your primary target(s)

 

We have to look like we are trying to keep the sheep interested - doesn't mean we have any intention of actually getting it over the line.

 

But at least we tried and there is always next year eh? Doesn't bring titles or trophies does though and before you know it, you have gone a decade without winning anything.

 

I fucking hate the mancs but they were in danger of falling into the wilderness, so they did something about it and got the players they wanted. Hey presto 2 trophies and CL footy. Shows what happens when you have more than an interest in players that improve you

 

Yet United have spent months chasing Griezmann and didn't get him and Mourinho is pissed off they aren't getting the players he wants.

 

Chelsea's manager is annoyed they haven't signed anyone.

 

The idea that we 'just pay the money' and we'll sign any player we please is simplistic nonsense.

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Yet United have spent months chasing Griezmann and didn't get him and Mourinho is pissed off they aren't getting the players he wants.

 

Chelsea's manager is annoyed they haven't signed anyone.

 

The idea that we 'just pay the money' and we'll sign any player we please is simplistic nonsense.

and united moved on from not getting greizman and have put down 75million on Lukaku.

We simply don't behave like a big club when it comes to transfers. The apology to Southampton is one of the most embarrassing moments from a transfer point of view that's happened to us.

The club itself leaked to local journos this summer was going to be a record breaking summer of spending.

Some Fans frustrations is coming from its looking like more of the same under this ownership.

 

In general the owners have done very good, no debt. In profit lots of commercial deals new stand is brilliant but they shouldn't get a free pass on the way they conduct transfers. Is it 3 January windows we've bought nobody now & spent fuck all last summer.

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Yet United have spent months chasing Griezmann and didn't get him and Mourinho is pissed off they aren't getting the players he wants.

 

Chelsea's manager is annoyed they haven't signed anyone.

 

The idea that we 'just pay the money' and we'll sign any player we please is simplistic nonsense.

Not suggesting we just " pay the money "

 

If it is the market price and it's fair then we should pay it, if not, move on don't look like we might and then don't.

 

We also have to look at the future in some deals. We bauked at the Salah price a few years ago and have now paid 40m ish for him. Prices move on. Keita will possibly be seen as a snip if he progresses well enough.

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Never a truer sentence than from the Independent transfer news live thread...

 

 

Liverpool's pursuit of Naby Keita is beginning to annoy Leipzig with lots of talk but little action.

 

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/transfer-news-rumours-gossip-live-manchester-united-romelu-lukaku-liverpool-naby-keita-a7828161.html

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Never a truer sentence than from the Independent transfer news live thread...

 

 

Liverpool's pursuit of Naby Keita is beginning to annoy Leipzig with lots of talk but little action.

 

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/transfer-news-rumours-gossip-live-manchester-united-romelu-lukaku-liverpool-naby-keita-a7828161.html

 

 

Don't worry Leipzig.  It's annoying us too.

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I understand that it's an impossible transfer because he simply wouldn't entertain us but for the respective money for them both £70m roughly, who would you sign Verratti or Keita? I've personally seen a lot more of Verratti and think he's the best midfielder in the world so I'd take him over Keita.

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and united moved on from not getting greizman and have put down 75million on Lukaku.

We simply don't behave like a big club when it comes to transfers. The apology to Southampton is one of the most embarrassing moments from a transfer point of view that's happened to us.

The club itself leaked to local journos this summer was going to be a record breaking summer of spending.

Some Fans frustrations is coming from its looking like more of the same under this ownership.

 

In general the owners have done very good, no debt. In profit lots of commercial deals new stand is brilliant but they shouldn't get a free pass on the way they conduct transfers. Is it 3 January windows we've bought nobody now & spent fuck all last summer.

 

So we

 

and united moved on from not getting greizman and have put down 75million on Lukaku.

We simply don't behave like a big club when it comes to transfers. The apology to Southampton is one of the most embarrassing moments from a transfer point of view that's happened to us.

The club itself leaked to local journos this summer was going to be a record breaking summer of spending.

Some Fans frustrations is coming from its looking like more of the same under this ownership.

 

In general the owners have done very good, no debt. In profit lots of commercial deals new stand is brilliant but they shouldn't get a free pass on the way they conduct transfers. Is it 3 January windows we've bought nobody now & spent fuck all last summer.

 

You have no idea how 'big clubs' conduct their transfers. 

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The 'big clubs' pay big fees & wages and tend to get the players they are after.

As a club we briefed we'd spend big.

We're back on the champions league, have a world class manager that's idenfied certain players he wants.

Put some money down and offers in for these players show some ambition.

It's already coming out on reports we're pissing off Leipzig.

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I've just provided you with two examples where that hasn't happened. 

 

We're not the first club in the world to have a prolonged transfer and we won't be the last. 

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I've just provided you with two examples where that hasn't happened.

 

We're not the first club in the world to have a prolonged transfer and we won't be the last.

We're the only one who does it without making a bid and who doesnt move on to players of a similar standing.

 

Disguating how many people are defending the rape of Liverpool football club.

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