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The Offside Rule


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All that Wenger proposal does is move the line a bit. It's still bollocks.

 

Just give the managers one challenge a match they can use on goals against their team. If they challenge, VAR checks, and if they're wrong, they lose the challenge. Stops howlers, lets the rest of us enjoy the fucking match.

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5 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Turdseye seems to have made up the clear daylight bit. Either that or he listens to Talksport / Sky Sports News. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/feb/19/arsene-wenger-uses-fifa-role-to-propose-new-offside-law-marginal-var-calls-ifab


Fuck you. I lifted it from a Times article that Sugar Ape posted on the MF. 

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“There is room to change the rule and not say that a part of a player’s nose is offside, so you are offside because you can score with that. Instead, you will be not be offside if any part of the body that can score a goal is in line with the last defender, even if other parts of the attacker’s body are in front."

 

What is the difference between this and the rule now? Surely if the nose is beyond the defender then by that rule above its offside, just like now? 

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A return to the old rule would clear up all these 'nitpicking' decisions. Make being in line offside. If there isn't clear space between the most advanced attacker and the last defender then the attacker should be deemed offside.  Surely even the incompetent (cheating) twats who oversee VAR decisions could apply that rule correctly.    Or maybe not.

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So what if you can score with any body part bar the hands? That shouldn't be a determining factor.

 

Use the position of the players' feet. It's easier to gauge in real time, easier to gauge on a replay without faffing about with badly-drawn lines, doesn't needlessly complicate things, and treats offside as something that is more clear and obvious from the get go. It is very unlikely that the attacking player will be airborne before the ball is played as players only jump AFTER a ball is played in the air, not before, because they are trying to time their jump to meet the ball. Every other time, at least one foot is on the ground. Just get rid of the nth degree attempts at accuracy because offside isn't meant to judge to the millimetre.

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2 hours ago, joe_fishfish said:

All that Wenger proposal does is move the line a bit. It's still bollocks.

 

Just give the managers one challenge a match they can use on goals against their team. If they challenge, VAR checks, and if they're wrong, they lose the challenge. Stops howlers, lets the rest of us enjoy the fucking match.

 

But a manager will always challenge a goal? So the Firmino "armpit" goal still gets called offside and everyone is still fuming? Or the manager has lost his challege and then an offisde goal is scored in the last minute and nothing can be down?  Sure that's pointless.

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2 hours ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

“There is room to change the rule and not say that a part of a player’s nose is offside, so you are offside because you can score with that. Instead, you will be not be offside if any part of the body that can score a goal is in line with the last defender, even if other parts of the attacker’s body are in front."

 

What is the difference between this and the rule now? Surely if the nose is beyond the defender then by that rule above its offside, just like now? 

The emphasis is on any goalscoring part of the body being onside as opposed to any goalscoring part of the body being offside. Instead of being offside by a nose hair, player would be onside by a heel.

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2 hours ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

“There is room to change the rule and not say that a part of a player’s nose is offside, so you are offside because you can score with that. Instead, you will be not be offside if any part of the body that can score a goal is in line with the last defender, even if other parts of the attacker’s body are in front."

 

What is the difference between this and the rule now? Surely if the nose is beyond the defender then by that rule above its offside, just like now? 


Massive difference, If any part of the attacker is behind or inline he’s onside. We’ve seen quite a few this season whereby the attackers head is ahead of play whilst his feet are onside. Or one foot ahead, the other behind the line. By today’s rules, he’s off. New ruling, he’s not. I don’t get some of the criticism for it on here, yeah they’ll still be contentious decisions but more goals will be scored. By us. 

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They'll find a way to fuck up the offside rule, again, when or if they re write it. Id suggest it doesnt need a re write. The 'change' is already in the law but fuckwits like riley with their intransigence ignore it. And that is, you give the benefit to the striker.

 

Is a toe or a tit or a nose or a knee that's 5 cm 'offside' never mind 5mm, really giving an advantage to the striker? The original basis of the offside rule was to stop what we as kids called 'goal hangers' standing yards behind the defensive line and waiting for the ball to come to him leaving just the keeper to beat.

 

Nearly every attacking player will be leaning forward to some degree compared to the defender when a ball is played through so any line drawn through the body will likely show some part of the striker ahead of the last defender. So, if any part of the striker is level or behind the last defender you just say he's on side.

 

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Wengers suggestion would kill off football as we know it.  It would make defending high and pressing teams basically impossible which would lead to teams just leaving their defence on the edge of the box for the majority of the game.  I can’t believe how short sighted Wenger is being.  The rule doesn’t need changing and neither does VAR.  The people crying about it just need to get over it.  It’s the rules being implemented correctly and things could and probably will get a lot worse if they keep on moaning and demanding change.

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17 hours ago, SilverSong said:

The emphasis is on any goalscoring part of the body being onside as opposed to any goalscoring part of the body being offside. Instead of being offside by a nose hair, player would be onside by a heel.

And instead of one set of fans/players/manager complaining that a tight call has been ruled out, you'd have the opposing set of fans/players/manager complaining that it had been allowed. 

 

What a marvellous change that would be. 

 

All we know is that, whatever happens, Twitter will determine it a fix to help Liverpool. 

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Can’t remember where it was, but an article yesterday pointed out the massive advantage this would give to attacking teams on free kicks, especially around the box. An attacking player running forward and stretching as a ball is stuck can be several feet clear of a static defender and gain a massive advantage under this rule - the precise advantage offside is meant to prevent.


The article went on to point to a trial of scrapping offside from free kicks altogether about 30 years ago in a youth tournament and the upshot was more goals at first then teams just packing the 6-yard box at free kicks. It was quickly scrapped.

 

Introducing this without any trials or preparation in a tournament immediately after a season played under different rules would be pretty tough on defenders.

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1 hour ago, The Guest said:

Wengers suggestion would kill off football as we know it.  It would make defending high and pressing teams basically impossible which would lead to teams just leaving their defence on the edge of the box for the majority of the game.  I can’t believe how short sighted Wenger is being.  The rule doesn’t need changing and neither does VAR.  The people crying about it just need to get over it.  It’s the rules being implemented correctly and things could and probably will get a lot worse if they keep on moaning and demanding change.

When pretty much everybody is complaining about its current use I think it does need changing,scrapping preferably. Wenger's idea sounds pretty crap though and wouldn't improve things at all. If the offside had have been left as it was there would be far less controversy over it but some highly paid cunts,in suits or blazers, have to try to justify their roles somehow.

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1 hour ago, rubble-rouser said:

Can’t remember where it was, but an article yesterday pointed out the massive advantage this would give to attacking teams on free kicks, especially around the box. An attacking player running forward and stretching as a ball is stuck can be several feet clear of a static defender and gain a massive advantage under this rule - the precise advantage offside is meant to prevent.


The article went on to point to a trial of scrapping offside from free kicks altogether about 30 years ago in a youth tournament and the upshot was more goals at first then teams just packing the 6-yard box at free kicks. It was quickly scrapped.

 

Introducing this without any trials or preparation in a tournament immediately after a season played under different rules would be pretty tough on defenders.

Bollocks to that!  I love the way we're brilliant at defending free kicks.

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How about they only give offside on the final pass or cross and not anywhere else in the build up? We've had 2 goals ruled out in our favour this season.I away at Chelsea and home to wolves, when a player was a tiny bit off in the build up. It's stuff like that that's annoying most fans.

Obviously, blatant offsides in the build up would still be flagged by the lino and most sane people could get over the fact that a toe in the build up that was offside didn't really matter.

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Just tell the VAR official to stop using his pencil and rely just on his eyes like football always has been officiated. Replay it no more than three times and if he's sure the attacker was offside then disallow it but if there's any doubt the goal stands.

 

The search for perfection of decision making is like looking for the Holy Grail and will never be successful so just aim for something which is quick, simple and a decent mprovement on the one-off look the linesman has. 

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Might be a good idea to have a sensor around the players chest "similar to the GPS rugby player's have to record they're movements on the field" and just as the ref gets a vibration on his wrist when the ball crossed the line it could tell if the player is just beyond the defensive line and deemed to be offside. So it's actually the players torso being checked instead of his toe or armpit. Opinions? 

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