Roy Keane

[suzy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJTjreKUPFE

 

Boss here though eh 

 

He looks like a right tramp with that beard!

[Harry Squatter]

He looks like Saddam Hussein when he got put on trial and ranted at everyone.

[suzy]

Just out of interest - when all those Manc players used to get "injured" for internationals (I seem to remember Giggs did a lot) did Keane ever do that?

[Boss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlxnHUfx2cY

[Duff Man]

Hated the cunt in his playing days but find him quite amusing now. Don't think he was as technically gifted as Gerrard but he made the most out of his ability and would have walked into any team in that era.

[lifetime fan]

No one has said he was shit, he wasn't. He was a brilliant player, just not as good as Gerrard or Vieira.

 

He's definitely a twat though.

[The Guest]

Gerrard will be behind Robbie Savage as a centre midfielder if the rewriting of his career carries on at this rate. Gerrard was a better centre midfielder than any other player to have played in England. He was technically better in terms of skill than any of the other competitors (Scholes, Keane, Vieira, Lampard) and he was physically better than any of them. He could run quicker whilst also being all over the pitch. The piece of skill he pulled off against Stoke in the 4-0 win is the perfect example of something you would never see any of the others pull off. He was also a better tackler than anyone other than Liverpool fans seem to remember. His first 5 or 6 years in the first team seemed to have been wiped from history. He gets the stick of not being tactically aware despite playing in more positions than any of them and in worse more inconsistent teams. He had to do everyone's job at times which is what kept us near the top of the table and winning cups. He didn't have the luxury of playing around the players Utd Chelsea and Arsenal had at their peaks. This is now used as some sort of insight as in to why they're better than him. There wasn't one weakness to Gerrard's game and I doubt we will see a player like him again.

 

The fact these players won more leagues has literally no impact on whether they even come close to Gerrard as an individual footballer. The fact he appeared in the team of the year early on in his career when these players were in their prime and subsequently year in year out when he was in his prime show how good he was as an individual.

[Russ Atmosphere]

He'd be red cardes every other game these days for what used to be yellow card offences.

 

Souness would be permanently banned for what used to be letting your opponent know your there.

 

Sadly the game has changed.

 

I don't think it's so bad else Fellaini and Costa would spend half of every season suspended.

[Dave D]

He hates Ferguson, which, by definition, makes him alright

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Cunt thread.

 

Literally.

[Elite]

He's a self important prick but what he did have was a winners mentality which translated to his fellow players.

[Boss]

This thread was posted on redcafe as a means to laugh at us. It spawned this monstrosity 

 

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/keane-versus-gerrard-who-was-better.423766/

 

Some classics include - Gerrard being good at passing is a myth, Roy Keane was a better passer. Gerrard couldn't tackle. Gerrard's passing ability is the same level as Rooney. Gerrard didn't carry us..... and so on in completely delusional fashion. 

[3 Stacks]

This thread was posted on redcafe as a means to laugh at us. It spawned this monstrosity 

 

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/keane-versus-gerrard-who-was-better.423766/

 

Some classics include - Gerrard being good at passing is a myth, Roy Keane was a better passer. Gerrard couldn't tackle. Gerrard's passing ability is the same level as Rooney. Gerrard didn't carry us..... and so on in completely delusional fashion. 

 

It's a stupid comparison anyways. Gerrard played some of his best football from the right and behind the striker. They were different players. Keane was your prototype 4-4-2 box-to-box player and Gerrard was a 4-3-3 auxiliary attacking midfielder.

 

The closest thing to reality imo is that Gerrard was the better attacking player whilst Keane was the better central midfielder, but in terms of their qualities they weren't really similar.

[Lee909]

Cant argue with that

[moof]

It's a stupid comparison anyways. Gerrard played some of his best football from the right and behind the striker. They were different players. Keane was your prototype 4-4-2 box-to-box player and Gerrard was a 4-3-3 auxiliary attacking midfielder.

 

The closest thing to reality imo is that Gerrard was the better attacking player whilst Keane was the better central midfielder, but in terms of their qualities they weren't really similar.

Gerrard could do everything Keane could, plus so much more. There's no comparison to be made because it's insulting to stevie.

[Tony Moanero]

3 Stacks has Heinz Tomato Ketchup on a roast dinner.

[Lee909]

I dont personally think Gerrard was as good in the defensive third. Far too often to my mind players ran off the back of him.

 

Overall still a far better player in a far worse team through most of his career. He never had the other players to lean on

[lifetime fan]

In talks with MK Dons about the manager job.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

It's a stupid comparison anyways. Gerrard played some of his best football from the right and behind the striker. They were different players. Keane was your prototype 4-4-2 box-to-box player and Gerrard was a 4-3-3 auxiliary attacking midfielder.

 

The closest thing to reality imo is that Gerrard was the better attacking player whilst Keane was the better central midfielder, but in terms of their qualities they weren't really similar.

No slouch at right-back, either.  Just ask Serginho.

 

Gerrard was the complete midfielder.  Keane shouted at people.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

The white Paul Ince

I'd go with the Irish Patrice Evra, given the way he torpedoed his own country at the World Cup Finals.

[SlugTrail]

3 Stacks has Heinz Tomato Ketchup on a roast dinner.

the filthy fucking meff, there isnt enough neg in the world for that. makes my fucking blood boil.

 

I bet he calls it red sauce as well to make it sound posher

[TheHowieLama]

Both Stevie and Roy are sound - take either in a pickup.

[Josef Svejk]

I dont personally think Gerrard was as good in the defensive third. Far too often to my mind players ran off the back of him.

 

Overall still a far better player in a far worse team through most of his career. He never had the other players to lean on

 

He had Charlie Adam to lean on for a while.

[aRdja]

It's a stupid comparison anyways. Gerrard played some of his best football from the right and behind the striker. They were different players. Keane was your prototype 4-4-2 box-to-box player and Gerrard was a 4-3-3 auxiliary attacking midfielder.

 

The closest thing to reality imo is that Gerrard was the better attacking player whilst Keane was the better central midfielder, but in terms of their qualities they weren't really similar.

Gerrard played mostly CM in his career with us. There were a couple of seasons he played AM and RM under Benitez... but he was a CM. The CM pair of Hamann and Gerrard was one of the best in the country... we won the 'treble' under Houliier with Gerrard at CM. A quick look at whoscored and transfermarkt would tell you that his main position was CM too.

 

My take on the Gerrard vs Keane debate is.. Gerrard had better skills than Keane.. he was a better passer of the ball, he had a better shot, a better set piece taker, a better goalscorer, was better at creating chances, he was more athletic. Keane was a better leader, and he had better tactical know-how than Gerrard.

[scudger99]

3 Stacks has Heinz Tomato Ketchup on a roast dinner.

That despicable bastard is dead to me now.