Theresa "MAY" not build a better Britain.

[cloggypop]

1 minute ago, Section_31 said:

For the life of me I can't work her out, I don't know what her motivations are for anything, I'm baffled. 

Don't forget her husband 

 

https://www.businessinsider.nl/paradise-papers-philip-mays-capital-group-2017-11/?international=true&r=UK

[sir roger]

I'm the same S31 , she has said she will step down before any election & appears to have no particular guiding principles, so have no idea why she is clinging on and being battered from pillar to post. She appears totally gormless.

[skend04]

I'm not the biggest fan of Corbyn's leadership but this week alone we've had the police federation and social services say May's tenure as home secretary has directly resulted in the increase in knife crimes, schools are being forced to shorten the school week because they can't afford to stay open and Warsi has accused the Tories of being raving mad racists. Add to that Grayling keeping his job whilst we have to piss away another £33m to cover yet more of his incompetence and Fox putting a stop on information provided to businesses on what trade they might be able to undertake in a few weeks time. But the big news is that Hodge is having another baseless meltdown and something or other.

 

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with this country? It's off the charts mental. The level of incompetence and mendacity is Trumpian times 1000.

[Section_31]

10 hours ago, skend04 said:

I'm not the biggest fan of Corbyn's leadership but this week alone we've had the police federation and social services say May's tenure as home secretary has directly resulted in the increase in knife crimes, schools are being forced to shorten the school week because they can't afford to stay open and Warsi has accused the Tories of being raving mad racists. Add to that Grayling keeping his job whilst we have to piss away another £33m to cover yet more of his incompetence and Fox putting a stop on information provided to businesses on what trade they might be able to undertake in a few weeks time. But the big news is that Hodge is having another baseless meltdown and something or other.

 

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with this country? It's off the charts mental. The level of incompetence and mendacity is Trumpian times 1000.

If you delve back far enough the Tories are responsible for pretty much everything that's shit. 

 

The so called benefits culture they're always moaning about was created by them in the early 90s under major's government when they moved people off the dole into incapacity benefit to duke the stats. 

 

In the early 80s they also changed school dinner regulations to save money so it meant kids could eat all sorts of fatty shit.

 

Pretty much everything they blame 'society' for they directly caused. They're a force for nothing other than ill.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Karen Bradley is a fucking idiot.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/karen-bradley-troubles-security-forces-killings-not-crimes-resign-a8810711.html

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

13 hours ago, Section_31 said:

If you delve back far enough the Tories are responsible for pretty much everything that's shit. 

 

The so called benefits culture they're always moaning about was created by them in the early 90s under major's government when they moved people off the dole into incapacity benefit to duke the stats. 

 

In the early 80s they also changed school dinner regulations to save money so it meant kids could eat all sorts of fatty shit.

 

Pretty much everything they blame 'society' for they directly caused. They're a force for nothing other than ill.

 

[Anubis]

Oops. Wrong forum.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Is it just my imagination* or has knife crime only been escalated to a national emergency since a white girl was killed?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*It may be just my imagination. 

[cloggypop]

Theresa May should prove conclusively that there is no connection between decrease in police officers and increase in crime by immediately dismissing her security detail. 

[Pidge]

Grayling still going then?  How?

 

Love that the ex-home secretary and current prime minister seems to think a greater police presence in communities only means more arrests, rather than better engagement...  Total fucking idiot.

[Mudface]

2 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Is it just my imagination* or has knife crime only been escalated to a national emergency since a white girl was killed?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*It may be just my imagination. 

The Mail's been banging on about it for quite a while but with a focus on London and trying to pin the blame on Sadiq Khan. Looks like it's backfired on them now the finger's pointing firmly at the government.

[Denny Crane]

This sums up my take on why more coppers needed is the wrong debate. But with only so many battles to be fought has put Corbyn's Labour in a weird place arguing for more police. 

 

 

If policing doesn't reduce crime, why do we need police?

 

This is typically asked as a rhetorical question. It's actually a good, sociological question. Obviously, we can't just wish the police away in a utopian fashion. We don't live in the kind of society that can do without coercion. But the answer, clearly, is not crime-reduction.

Let's be clear. Theresa May is not wrong to point out that there is almost no correlation between police numbers and violent crime. Yes, police numbers have been cut by from about 140,000 to 120,000 since 2010. And it has made zero difference to crime rates which, with some exceptions, continued their precipitous decline began in the mid-1990s. This is not to blame for the current wave of knife crime among boys in London. And May is also not, for once, misrepresenting the research evidence, which bears her out.

 

Moreover, the cuts to police numbers in recent years, though substantial, actually bring force levels down to that which prevailed until an extraordinary New Labour expansion of the policing and carceral system. It would be a mistake for the Left to defend that as an optimal scale for criminal justice in this country. There was a deeply authoritarian strain to New Labour's politics. You can see this in its extension of the net of class discipline through such measures as ASBOs and curfews, measures which helped criminalise perfectly legal behaviour. You can see it in its drastic expansion of prison numbers, resulting in the prisons crisis we now have. You can see it in the expansion of the surveillance state, the 'integrationist' agenda aimed at Muslims and migrants, the support for internment and extraordinary rendition. You can see it in the enthusiastic support for the repression of protesters, by such means as kettling. And you can see it, finally, in the attempts by a declining Blair administration to police "black culture", which the outgoing Prime Minister blamed for a spate of knife crime in London.

 

New Labour wasn't entirely a departure from traditional social-democracy, but its expansion of the repressive and authoritarian capacities of the state was more advanced than that under Thatcher at a time of spectacular social conflict. Thatcher tooled up the police force for a series of set-piece battles with organised labour. New Labour tooled up the police force for the pacification of civil society. In doing so, it gave the lie to the neoliberalism soft-sell, viz. that it's about a 'small state'. It never was, and everywhere it has been implemented, its major result has been to shift the burden of state activity from welfare to discipline.

 

Even with May's cuts, it's important to note what she actually sought to achieve with these cuts. It's not primarily about the numbers of officers, or the money. Yes, as Home Secretary, she wanted budget savings. But she used austerity, as did every other government minister at the time, to kick-start deeper structural reform. The technical name for this reform is New Public Management (NPM), and the police were one of the last state sectors to be subjected to it in such a radical way. The basic idea of NPM is to make public services work like businesses. Many of the measures simulate 'market' mechanisms: competition, cost controls, and so on. May's reforms, based on two reports authored by Tom Winsor, then heading up Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary, took this further than it had ever gone in the police. But they also changed the structure of political authority and legitimacy in the police, subordinating chief constables to powerful elected 'sheriffs' (Police and Crime Commissioners), and reducing the traditional autonomy of rank and file officers. The reform agenda was fronted by Bernard Hogan-Howe with his "total policing" prospectus: a flexible, technologically-upgraded, but streamlined service, capable of swiftly adopting a wide range of tactics to confront emerging problems. The overall effect of this, despite some laudable ideas like reducing the racist use of stop-and-search (largely a concession to the European Court of Human Rights), was to make the police force both more politicised, and more geared for social confrontation. 

 

With that in mind, I want to briefly revisit the question: what do we need the police for? The answer, as I say, is not crime-reduction. That is not how policing relates to crime. Rather, what tends to happen is that police are called out to emergency and crisis situations, most of which they do not then define as criminal. These emergencies usually involve social conflict. Policing means using the monopoly of legitimate violence to decide whether that antagonism involves criminal behaviour and resolve it accordingly. Obviously, this doesn't happen in a socially neutral way. The origins of the modern police force, as Robert Reiner has pointed out, lie in the need to regulate the lower orders of modern urban society. And they are guided in their work by a mixture of professional ideology, stereotyping, apprehension of the 'dangerous classes', and so on. So, a lot of what they do involves social control. Nonetheless, if you're being stalked on the internet, or if you've been the victim of fraud, or if your child disappears, there's a good chance that you'll call the police. They may or may not be able to do much, but if you lack the means to solve the problem yourself, who else is there to call? Capitalist society just is riddled with conflicts and pathologies, and we can't will them out of existence. Moreover, with the evisceration of welfare and other service, policing can end up being the last resort for people with a problem and not many alternatives.

 

So my point would be as follows. We don't have to go along with the Police Federation's complaints about cuts. We don't have to obsess over restoring police numbers to their all-time high under New Labour. But May's reform agenda should be rethought, and police reform pushed in a totally different direction. We may not need 20,000 more police, but we definitely don't need policing to be run like a business. And we would probably be better served by more democratic, community-based forms of accountability, rather than overblown 'sheriffs' trying to get elected on celebrity supercop tickets. But that's what we should be thinking about in the short-term. Not, how many cops, but what sorts of things we want the police to do, and what we want them to do a lot less of.

 

https://www.patreon.com/posts/25187257

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Amber Rudd just casually referring to Diane Abbott as a "coloured woman" during a radio interview today... 

[Jairzinho]

I think she has since apologised for being a horrible racist Tory cunt.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Andrea Leadsom is at it now too. 

 

Following a question in the House about the need for a debate on islamophobia, given the increased incidents in the Tory party and following a report by The All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) on British Muslims, she responded by saying that the matter might first need to be taken up with the Foreign Office. 

 

British Muslims are a foreign office matter now? 

 

Wow. Just wow. 

[Anubis]

Leadsom for leader....

[moof]

Looking forward to the EHRC investigation on this

[magicrat]

10 hours ago, cloggypop said:

Theresa May should prove conclusively that there is no connection between decrease in police officers and increase in crime by immediately proving she is not autistic. 

fixed

[Denny Crane]

No surprise those involved in fundraising and donating to the Conservatives seem like a great bunch. From Private Eye. 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Behave. You're not kidding any fucking one!

[Anubis]

It’s like looking at Tory Glastonbury all over again.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

The absolute state of that... 

 

 

[cloggypop]

Mutton dressed as spam. 

[magicrat]

1 hour ago, Nelly-Torres said:

The absolute state of that... 

 

 

Who the fuck can trust someone that gets dressed in the dark to make the biggest decision  facing the country in a generation 

 

[Pureblood]

Totally would.