Joel Matip

[Lee909]

It means Matip has still only completed back-to-back Premier League matches on one occasion since September 2019 (against Manchester City and Leicester City this season), and on the last two occasions whereby he has started two in a row, he's had to go off with an injury in the second game (against West Brom and Fulham). Since the start of last season, he's played a total of 1259 league minutes out of a possible 4770, therefore featuring for only just over a quarter of Liverpool's league games in that period

[aRdja]

2 hours ago, Lee909 said:

It means Matip has still only completed back-to-back Premier League matches on one occasion since September 2019 (against Manchester City and Leicester City this season), and on the last two occasions whereby he has started two in a row, he's had to go off with an injury in the second game (against West Brom and Fulham). Since the start of last season, he's played a total of 1259 league minutes out of a possible 4770, therefore featuring for only just over a quarter of Liverpool's league games in that period

Not great is it?

[VladimirIlyich]

2 hours ago, Lee909 said:

It means Matip has still only completed back-to-back Premier League matches on one occasion since September 2019 (against Manchester City and Leicester City this season), and on the last two occasions whereby he has started two in a row, he's had to go off with an injury in the second game (against West Brom and Fulham). Since the start of last season, he's played a total of 1259 league minutes out of a possible 4770, therefore featuring for only just over a quarter of Liverpool's league games in that period

He's gone off injured in two of the last three he's started. This means he's either,already carrying an injury and/or he's made of used matchsticks. Probably both. In all seriousness Klopp obviously doesnt want either Rhys Williams or Nat Phillips starting unless absolutely necessary. Buying a centre half,or two,is the only way we'll have a chance of winning the league with some degree of comfort. Otherwise its heart attack nail biting territory right until the season's end.

[Trumo]

We have a new head of revcovery and performance, Andreas Schlumberger from Schalke. He's worked at Dortmund with Klopp before, as well as working at Bayern and Gladbach. Maybe he can help solve Matip's issues along with those of our other regular crocks.

 

Reds appoint Andreas Schlumberger as head of recovery and performance

[Jimmy Hills Chin]

2 hours ago, Trumo said:

We have a new head of revcovery and performance, Andreas Schlumberger from Schalke. He's worked at Dortmund with Klopp before, as well as working at Bayern and Gladbach. Maybe he can help solve Matip's issues along with those of our other regular crocks.

 

Reds appoint Andreas Schlumberger as head of recovery and performance

hopefully he's brought plenty of glue

[m0e]

2 hours ago, Trumo said:

We have a new head of revcovery and performance, Andreas Schlumberger from Schalke. He's worked at Dortmund with Klopp before, as well as working at Bayern and Gladbach. Maybe he can help solve Matip's issues along with those of our other regular crocks.

 

Reds appoint Andreas Schlumberger as head of recovery and performance

That may be so, but can he play centre half?

[bizzle10]

2 hours ago, Trumo said:

We have a new head of revcovery and performance, Andreas Schlumberger from Schalke. He's worked at Dortmund with Klopp before, as well as working at Bayern and Gladbach. Maybe he can help solve Matip's issues along with those of our other regular crocks.

 

Reds appoint Andreas Schlumberger as head of recovery and performance

bet he will pull a hamstring walking in to new training complex its been that type of year

[Joey8FrogsLegs]

2 hours ago, Trumo said:

We have a new head of revcovery and performance, Andreas Schlumberger from Schalke. He's worked at Dortmund with Klopp before, as well as working at Bayern and Gladbach. Maybe he can help solve Matip's issues along with those of our other regular crocks.

 

Reds appoint Andreas Schlumberger as head of recovery and performance

I choose to se this as good news. The club has made many important recruitments is the supporting roles, fitness, nutrition two good examples where we seem to have brought in top people.

 

Hope this is the case here as well. Over time the best person in this position will mean less injuries. Of course random things will always occur, and also we need to be clever and move on the players that just never manage to stay fit over time. Matip clearly being one of those.

[an tha]

27 minutes ago, Jimmy Hills Chin said:

hopefully he's brought plenty of glue

Be plenty of when Matip finally gets sent the factory.

[aRdja]

 

[Megadrive Man]

The stats show why Matip is an ideal 4th choice player. He is very good when available, but not available enough to be a first or second choice.

 

For all this talk of selling him, who would realistically buy him? 

[aRdja]

1 minute ago, MegadriveMan said:

The stats show why Matip is an ideal 4th choice player. He is very good when available, but not available enough to be a first or second choice.

 

For all this talk of selling him, who would realistically buy him? 

We can’t afford to sell him. We have no one else.

[Lee909]

17 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

The stats show why Matip is an ideal 4th choice player. He is very good when available, but not available enough to be a first or second choice.

 

 

Surely it proves he is a terrible back up. 

You need your back ups fit when when you need them for resting or injuries to starters. You can't rely on him to be fit to do that. You shouldn't be paying a 4th choice player  90/100k a week either. 

[TheHowieLama]

2 minutes ago, Lee909 said:

You shouldn't be paying a 4th choice player  90/100k 120k a week either. 

[Megadrive Man]

1 minute ago, Lee909 said:

Surely it proves he is a terrible back up. 

You need your back ups fit when when you need them for resting or injuries to starters. You can't rely on him to be fit to do that. You shouldn't be paying a 4th choice player  90/100k a week either. 

 

How many good players would be content as 4th choice? Matip will never be first choice for anyone. 

 

In a normal season you need a 4th choice centre back for about 10 to 15 games a season, which makes him ideal.

[Lee909]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

I've seen everything from 85-120k. 

End of the day we  have far to many high paid sicknotes

[Joey8FrogsLegs]

24 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

 

How many good players would be content as 4th choice? Matip will never be first choice for anyone. 

 

In a normal season you need a 4th choice centre back for about 10 to 15 games a season, which makes him ideal.

Except for the fact that he would probably be available for between 0 and 3 of those 10 to 15 games.

[VladimirIlyich]

9 hours ago, Lee909 said:

I've seen everything from 85-120k. 

End of the day we  have far to many high paid sicknotes

Its called 'Moneyball.'

[Babb'sBurstNad]

Should've listened to the kids, they called him Joel Matip.

[dockers_strike]

I dont think we sign too many sick notes. Matip supposedly didnt have a bad injury record in the bundesliga, neither did Keita.

 

But the premier league is a tough league, tougher than the bundesliga where they have a smaller league, a winter break and no league cup.

 

People saying sign other players miss an obvious point, that player can easily turn out to be another Matip, Keita, Shaqiri or Lovren etc if they pick repeat injuries.

 

Prior to Jurgen's arrival, Ive always thought our players were not as fit as others. You dont regularly win games in the latter stages if you're no fitter than the oppos. You need the fitness to keep going when they flag.

 

Im pretty sure Jurgen's fitness regime and that of his coaches is tough and will find out the injury prone players in the squad.

[Barrington Womble]

12 hours ago, MegadriveMan said:

The stats show why Matip is an ideal 4th choice player. He is very good when available, but not available enough to be a first or second choice.

 

For all this talk of selling him, who would realistically buy him? 

You say that like he only gets injured playing games, but he doesn't. He gets injured all the time, playing or not, so when you need him he's not there. With fabinho becoming a full time centre back, he is effectively 4th choice now and it's not working out. He's a smart centre back, reads the game well and is super calm, but he is fucking useless because he's never fit when we need him. We need to buy in January and if that requires us offloading matip down the line, then we have to do it, because the lad just can't contribute. 

[VladimirIlyich]

3 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

You say that like he only gets injured playing games, but he doesn't. He gets injured all the time, playing or not, so when you need him he's not there. With fabinho becoming a full time centre back, he is effectively 4th choice now and it's not working out. He's a smart centre back, reads the game well and is super calm, but he is fucking useless because he's never fit when we need him. We need to buy in January and if that requires us offloading matip down the line, then we have to do it, because the lad just can't contribute. 

Have we(not you Barry,the royal 'we') also decided that Joe Gomez is not just 'unlucky' with injuries too?

[3 Stacks]

16 hours ago, MegadriveMan said:

The stats show why Matip is an ideal 4th choice player. He is very good when available, but not available enough to be a first or second choice.

 

For all this talk of selling him, who would realistically buy him? 

Matip makes too much per week to be a 4th choice CB. It would not be economical.

[Megadrive Man]

1 hour ago, 3 Stacks said:

Matip makes too much per week to be a 4th choice CB. It would not be economical.

 

This is another reason why it makes him more difficult to sell.

 

How many clubs are going to sign an injury prone centre back on a big wage?

[3 Stacks]

1 minute ago, MegadriveMan said:

 

This is another reason why it makes him more difficult to sell.

 

How many clubs are going to sign an injury prone centre back on a big wage?

Matip is still a quality player. We're not at a Sturridge situation where he can't stay fit, and his level has dropped way down. I'm sure there would be some interest. People understate Matip and Keita's value to other teams. They can't stay fit for us, but they aren't damaged goods yet. We may have to compromise on the fees we'd get but I very much doubt we're at the stage where they're unflushable.