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47 minutes ago, No2 said:

I don't think it was an unreasonable gamble. The chap has been consistently fit for near on 3 years. He was bullet proof until mongo man came along. We had 3 CB's including Fab to cover 1 spot. We haven't added to that area in 3 years so it's safe to assume it was on the menu for next summer. The plan was sound, the squad is the best it's ever been. Hence the fact we will still win the league without the worlds best defender.

He has been bullet proof. But where the gamble is imo is I don't believe it works without him. So Gomez/matip/fabinho/Elliot would all look adequate to good centre backs next to him, he's that good. But once he's not there, it becomes a bigger issue in terms of quality and fitness as the other two don't stay fit and both are the guys who look after their own game and not much else. 

 

I've said lots of times in this thread I understand the gamble. It's one I expected us to take. But I absolutely refuse to see it wasn't a big gamble and we can just shrug our shoulder like it doesn't matter. If one of matip or Gomez were different players - so they can be fit and a leading presence in the back 4 - then I think it's less of a gamble. But personally I think with the options we have, it's an "all in" on VVD's fitness. And he's not superman, he's just a football player who is susceptible to injury, because he's a human - he was out for around 6 months before he joined us. And even forgetting big injuries like he's got now, at 29 and spending I imagine his whole career playing through the pain, it maybe wouldn't be unreasonable to think that might have started to catch up with him anyway. We bet the house on him staying fit. 

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8 hours ago, 3 Stacks said:

@Grinch fyi, being negged repeatedly by a guy who has never been right about anything football related in his life is a compliment. 

Only downside to winning the champion league was it attracted muppets like you to the club. 

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10 hours ago, ManéMan said:

That's exactly why. There's 3 midfield spots against 2 CB spots so theres bound to be more centre mids in the squad. Add to that a couple are almost permanently injured and another is also an ageing squad player who is also the only left back cover we had until now. And also we may lose one (Gini) very soon.

 

It's very simple but you're over complicating things and trying to make yourself look clever but it's not working.

Hey buddy, it's easy to look at other squads and see we have more central midfield depth than they do by design. We have 8 CM's. Fab, Thiago, Hendo, Milner, Gini, Naby, Jones and Ox. Every other "big club in the league have max 6. City have Rodri, Fernandinho, Foden, Gundogan, De Bruyne and at a push Bernardo Silva. United have 6 with Pogba, Fernandes, McTominay, Matic, van de Beek and Fred. Arsenal have 6 with Maintland-Niles, Xhaka, Thomas, Elneny, Ceballos and Willock. Spurs have 6 with Hojbjerg, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Winks, Sissoko and Gedson. Chelsea have like 4-6. 

 

The reason you think it's simple is because you just haven't thought that through. A site to look this stuff up to look less dumb in the future is Transfermarkt.com, mate. You're welcome. 

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5 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

Hey buddy, it's easy to look at other squads and see we have more central midfield depth than they do by design. We have 8 CM's. Fab, Thiago, Hendo, Milner, Gini, Naby, Jones and Ox. Every other "big club in the league have max 6. City have Rodri, Fernandinho, Foden, Gundogan, De Bruyne and at a push Bernardo Silva. United have 6 with Pogba, Fernandes, McTominay, Matic, van de Beek and Fred. Arsenal have 6 with Maintland-Niles, Xhaka, Thomas, Elneny, Ceballos and Willock. Spurs have 6 with Hojbjerg, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Winks, Sissoko and Gedson.

 

The reason you think it's simple is because you just haven't thought that through. A site to look this stuff up to look less dumb in the future is Transfermarkt.com, mate. You're welcome. 

So we have designed a squad with more CMs just so one or two of them can be cover at centre back? Okay. But would make more sense to have an actual centre back as cover to cover you know the centre backs.

 

We had 4 centre backs till this season and done pretty well if I recall.

 

And one more time, Klopp specifically stated we have a shortage at centre back, which doesn't seem like design to me.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, ManéMan said:

So we have designed a squad with more CMs just so one or two of them can be cover at centre back? Okay. But would make more sense to have an actual centre back as cover to cover you know the centre backs.

 

We had 4 centre backs till this season and done pretty well if I recall.

 

And one more time, Klopp specifically stated we have a shortage at centre back, which doesn't seem like design to me.

 

 

Ding ding ding. If you don't like the strategy, take it up with Klopp  not me. 

 

And if you want to think Klopp was denied funds for a defender this summer, despite what I've said, knock yourself out. 

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11 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

Ding ding ding. If you don't like the strategy, take it up with Klopp  not me. 

 

And if you want to think Klopp was denied funds for a defender this summer, despite what I've said, knock yourself out. 

Okay Jurgen 

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2 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

He has been bullet proof. But where the gamble is imo is I don't believe it works without him. So Gomez/matip/fabinho/Elliot would all look adequate to good centre backs next to him, he's that good. But once he's not there, it becomes a bigger issue in terms of quality and fitness as the other two don't stay fit and both are the guys who look after their own game and not much else. 

 

I've said lots of times in this thread I understand the gamble. It's one I expected us to take. But I absolutely refuse to see it wasn't a big gamble and we can just shrug our shoulder like it doesn't matter. If one of matip or Gomez were different players - so they can be fit and a leading presence in the back 4 - then I think it's less of a gamble. But personally I think with the options we have, it's an "all in" on VVD's fitness. And he's not superman, he's just a football player who is susceptible to injury, because he's a human - he was out for around 6 months before he joined us. And even forgetting big injuries like he's got now, at 29 and spending I imagine his whole career playing through the pain, it maybe wouldn't be unreasonable to think that might have started to catch up with him anyway. We bet the house on him staying fit. 

It's the same gamble we took last year and the year before. If we signed someone then that player have no appearances for Liverpool. If anything it was less of a gamble this season as Fab has been more injury resistant than Lovren. Its bad luck,  nothing more.

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10 minutes ago, No2 said:

It's the same gamble we took last year and the year before. If we signed someone then that player have no appearances for Liverpool. If anything it was less of a gamble this season as Fab has been more injury resistant than Lovren. Its bad luck,  nothing more.

I would argue a bit with that a bit. I didn't think Lovren was a great defender, but he was pretty good in the air and he is vocal and does lead. But also as I have posted on here I don't know how many times, I wasn't happy with the choice last year for exactly the reason you outlined. I would have sold any 2 from 3 of lovren/matip/gomez a year ago and brought in someone who wasn't made of glass and could defend, lead and head a ball. 

 

As I said before, we bet the house on it last year and won. This year we've rolled the dice one more time and haven't. 

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11 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

Not travelled for the Ajax game according to the beeb. 

2nd spell injured in a season that is barely a month old.

 

 

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I've a tiny tiny bit of sympathy for him as he was out for ages and had to play a full game, in a derby. We may have only intended to give him 60. We do, however, need to buy 2 centre halves in January, not just 1. 

If we can manage to keep ourselves near the top, we've half a season left after January 1st to gain enough points to win it again, IF we get reinforcements

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Saturday was the first time Gomez and Matip played at CB together in the PL. 

 

Saturday was the first time Matip played a full PL game for over a year. 

 

And he’s injured for the next game. 
 

We definitely need to sign a CB in January and should have in the summer. 

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49 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

Saturday was the first time Gomez and Matip played at CB together in the PL. 

 

Saturday was the first time Matip played a full PL game for over a year. 

 

And he’s injured for the next game. 
 

We definitely need to sign a CB in January and should have in the summer. 

i am struggling to see the light anywhere with this. even jurgen seems destroyed by it.  

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1 hour ago, Barrington Womble said:

i am struggling to see the light anywhere with this. even jurgen seems destroyed by it.  

 

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22 hours ago, lifetime fan said:

Not travelled for the Ajax game according to the beeb. 

Probably a good job I was behind him at Manchester airport a couple of years ago and his bag set off the alarm, he must have taken stuff out of his bag a dozen times and still the alarm went off. When his bag was finally empty it still set the alarm off. On closer inspection a Alan key was hidden in the corner of his bag aah fuck it. 

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