ISIS - To Attack or Not?

[moof]

7 minutes ago, Anny Road said:

All on her.

Should we be risking sending people out there to save her. Plus how many others who made that descion. Freely

She managed fine to get out there if she got back she should be treated within the law.

Did the baby deserve to die?

[Bjornebye]

The baby is still alive. 

[Bjornebye]

Just now, moof said:

Did the baby deserve to die?

No. Its not a Palestinian baby. 

[SasaS]

11 minutes ago, Anny Road said:

All on her.

Should we be risking sending people out there to save her. Plus how many others who made that descion. Freely

She managed fine to get out there if she got back she should be treated within the law.

 

Why would there be a risk? She is in an UN refugee camp in the territory under Kurdish control, regularly accessed by journalists.

 

Don't know if there would have been enough time to do something for the baby even if the government didn't refuse her. Don't know what the baby died of either.  

[Anny Road]

2 minutes ago, moof said:

Did the baby deserve to die?

No of course not. However we did not put it in this position it’s mother did.

What do we do? Send in ground troops to a war zone to pull out anyone who doesn’t fancy it anymore.

[Rico1304]

9 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

Only if she's been putting the bins out.

Very good (I’m out of rep) 

[moof]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

No. Its not a Palestinian baby. 

Sad but true, for some 

[Anny Road]

1 minute ago, SasaS said:

 

Why would there be a risk? She is in an UN refugee camp in the territory under Kurdish control, regularly accessed by journalists.

 

Don't know if there would have been enough time to do something for the baby even if the government didn't refuse her. Don't know what the baby died of either.  

The fact that journalist were there does not indicate no risk. Let the UN fly them out. Is the airport secure? Is there safe access for British forces. The UN is not a combat force.

[Strontium]

Just now, moof said:

Sad but true, for some 

 

I don't suppose you can be persuaded to support your opinion with some evidence for once, can you?

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

I don't suppose you can be persuaded to support your opinion with some evidence for once, can you?

https://www.haaretz.com/1.4773179

 

One of many 

[Strontium]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

https://www.haaretz.com/1.4773179

 

One of many 

 

Where is the person saying that the baby deserved to die?

[SasaS]

4 minutes ago, Anny Road said:

The fact that journalist were there does not indicate no risk. Let the UN fly them out. Is the airport secure? Is there safe access for British forces. The UN is not a combat force.

British forces are most likely already there to guide air strikes. Intelligence operatives are definitely there.

[Rico1304]

2 minutes ago, SasaS said:

British forces are most likely already there to guide air strikes. Intelligence operatives are definitely there.

Are you suggesting we should risk soldiers lives to try and rescue her?  

[Anny Road]

Logistically to organise is far more complex than four or five guys. Even if they are there.

Securing safe landing would probably require an advanced landing group. Maintaining that security. Ground transportation the the evac itself plus the advanced force.

All while minimising casualties. And entering a refugee camp full of insurgent with mobile phones.

Imagine the implications if we lost a plane and a dozen men. The mother and the baby to an IED.

[Bjornebye]

7 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

Where is the person saying that the baby deserved to die?

The fact that it happened says it all. You probably think that the baby deserved to die. "One less palestinian to worry about while we try to take over the world" 

 

I have no shame in believing that is exactly what you think. You make me sick. 

[SasaS]

3 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Are you suggesting we should risk soldiers lives to try and rescue her?  

 

I am suggesting the risk is now most likely minimal, since she is in a refugee camp in the territory under control of the  friendly force. She already gave several interviews to the media. There is no need to "rescue" her.

[Strontium]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

The fact that it happened says it all. You probably think that the baby deserved to die. "One less palestinian to worry about while we try to take over the world" 

 

I have no shame in believing that is exactly what you think. You make me sick. 

 

Are you insane? On what possible planet could anyone believe that a baby deserves to die?

 

And who is the "we" trying to take over the world?

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

Are you insane? On what possible planet could anyone believe that a baby deserves to die?

 

And who is the "we" trying to take over the world?

I believe that you believe that. 

 

'we' being you Zionists. No better than Tommy Robinsons lot and their ideologies. Disgusting. 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Hopefully the baby is ok. He has done nothing.

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

I believe that you believe that. 

 

'we' being you Zionists. No better than Tommy Robinsons lot and their ideologies. Disgusting. 

 

"Zionists are trying to take over the world" is heading into antisemitic conspiracy theory territory.

 

Quite frankly you can fuck off if you think I want babies to die. That is an utterly monstrous and totally baseless claim.

[Rico1304]

5 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

I am suggesting the risk is now most likely minimal, since she is in a refugee camp in the territory under control of the  friendly force. She already gave several interviews to the media. There is no need to "rescue" her.

Fair enough - got the wrong end of the stick. 

 

If if she gets to an embassy I’d have her back, wouldn’t actively help her though.  

[Anny Road]

9 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

I am suggesting the risk is now most likely minimal, since she is in a refugee camp in the territory under control of the  friendly force. She already gave several interviews to the media. There is no need to "rescue" her.

Who do you suspect is in this refugee camp? Will be full of ISIS fighters. All it takes is a bit of coordination on thier part and it could get vey nasty.

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

"Zionists are trying to take over the world" is heading into antisemitic conspiracy theory territory.

 

Quite frankly you can fuck off if you think I want babies to die. That is an utterly monstrous and totally baseless claim.

I don't think you even know what anti-semitism is. Agenda whore. 

 

You can fuck off. 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Surely her own people ( ISIS ) would not harm her.

[Strontium]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

I don't think you know what anti-semitism is. You agenda driven scumbag. 

 

You can fuck off. 

 

Yeah, what would Jewish people know about antisemitism, eh.

 

You have made a series of accusations about me today that are completely fabricated. Only one agenda-driven scumbag here and it's not me.