ISIS - To Attack or Not?

[Pureblood]

1 hour ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

Was it ever proven she/they were groomed online ?

She was below the legal age of consent so I would say yes.

[Dougie Do'ins]

53 minutes ago, TK421 said:

She was below the legal age of consent so I would say yes.

I'm not on about what went on when she got out there I'm on about what led her to go there in the first place.

[Rico1304]

You could argue she’d been groomed all her life.  

[moof]

9 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

You could argue she’d been groomed all her life.  

You could but it might sound a bit racist 

[Strontium]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

You could argue she’d been groomed all her life.  

 

Her upbringing obviously primed her to be receptive to Isis's message.

 

As I always say, you can't have religious extremism without religion.

[Rico1304]

Just now, Strontium Dog said:

 

Her upbringing obviously primed her to be receptive to Isis's message.

 

As I always say, you can't have religious extremism without religion.

Some cunt will call you racist now. 

 

 

[Strontium]

I'm used to it. I'm equally used to said cunts not actually explaining why, which is why those cunts shouldn't be taken seriously.

[Rico1304]

Just now, Strontium Dog said:

I'm used to it. I'm equally used to said cunts not actually explaining why, which is why those cunts shouldn't be taken seriously.

Agreed.  Bell ends. 

[Pureblood]

2 hours ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

I'm not on about what went on when she got out there I'm on about what led her to go there in the first place.

So am I.  

[cochyn]

4 hours ago, TK421 said:

White girls get groomed = media concentrate on the ethnicity of the groomers

 

Except- right-wing media aside- they didn't did they? There was effectively a media black-out during the trials. Since then, the discourse has mainly been around the vulnerability of the victims. I think maybe you're conflating the furore around Tommy Robinson et. al. in the wake of this and what actually happened? 

4 hours ago, TK421 said:

Muslim girls get groomed = media say it's their own fault

 

Blatant double standards.

 

There's a difference between grooming for a shared vision of nationhood and grooming for the gratification of the perpetrator though, surely?

 

 

[Pureblood]

11 minutes ago, cochyn said:

Except- right-wing media aside- they didn't did they? There was effectively a media black-out during the trials. Since then, the discourse has mainly been around the vulnerability of the victims. I think maybe you're conflating the furore around Tommy Robinson et. al. in the wake of this and what actually happened? 

 

There's a difference between grooming for a shared vision of nationhood and grooming for the gratification of the perpetrator though, surely?

 

 

LOL, "shared vision".  That just about sums it up.

[Rico1304]

1 hour ago, TK421 said:

So am I.  

She was a minor, that’s a fact. She was also above the age of criminal responsibility.  If she gets back then she’s our problem, until then fuck her. 

[Dougie Do'ins]

On 3/3/2019 at 7:20 PM, TK421 said:

So am I.  

There's a huge difference in those girls being plied with alcohol and drugs and then being passed around a group of men than someone deciding to join a terrorist organisition and get married. I've never bought this excuse that she/they were the victims of some sort of online grooming. I'd be willing to bet the redicalisation started much closer to home.

 

 

[Pureblood]

10 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

There's a huge difference in those girls being plied with alcohol and drugs and then being passed around a group of men than someone deciding to join a terrorist organisition and get married. I've never bought this excuse that she/they were the victims of some sort of online grooming. I'd be willing to bet the redicalisation started much closer to home.

 

 

No difference.  Both are being exploited and manipulated by virtue of their age. 

[TheHowieLama]

There is a huge difference -- strange to suggest there is not.

[Pureblood]

2 hours ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

There's a huge difference in those girls being plied with alcohol and drugs and then being passed around a group of men than someone deciding to join a terrorist organisition and get married. I've never bought this excuse that she/they were the victims of some sort of online grooming. I'd be willing to bet the redicalisation started much closer to home.

 

 

Couple of decent articles here, @Dougie Do'ins

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/diane-abbott-shamima-begum-grooming-14033947

 

https://mediadiversified.org/2019/02/18/what-does-the-perfect-victim-look-like/

[TheHowieLama]

Why concentrate on the girls -- if you are suggesting there is a negative in this wouldn't the young men be a better place to start? But if you believe in the cause of course there is no negative. 

 

Are you suggesting there is a negative?

[moof]

Is there any evidence that her family are fans of isis, or are we just suggesting that because they are Muslim?

[SasaS]

"We"?

[Boss]

Is there any evidence she was groomed? And if so can the people talking about it to defend this girl produce actual concrete examples of how this grooming took place, instead of generalised pontificating articles that say "she was groomed" and fail to elaborate on it.

[Pureblood]

18 minutes ago, SasaS said:

"We"?

Pronoun used to denote more than one person.

[Pureblood]

1 minute ago, Boss said:

Is there any evidence she was groomed? And if so can the people talking about it to defend this girl produce actual concrete examples of how this grooming took place, instead of generalised pontificating articles that say "she was groomed" and fail to elaborate on it.

She was 15.  That's pretty compelling evidence.  

[Boss]

1 minute ago, TK421 said:

She was 15.  That's pretty compelling evidence.  

Just stating someone's age does not constitute evidence.

[Mook]

1 minute ago, TK421 said:

She was 15.  That's pretty compelling evidence.  

It's not evidence at all.

 

Is there any actual evidence she was coaxed into the decision she made to move across there & get married by people over the age of 15?

[Pureblood]

2 minutes ago, Boss said:

Just stating someone's age does not constitute evidence.

Of course it is.  She is not legally capable of consenting to sex at that age in the UK.