ISIS - To Attack or Not?

[Pureblood]

Just now, Rico1304 said:

A/S has been denied as being the root of abuse towards Jewish people by non-Jews.  I’m crossing the streams.  

I don't understand that, either.

[Rico1304]

The UK is safer and Muslim women have more rights, than any Middle Eastern country. 

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, TK421 said:

I don't understand that, either.

Never mind. 

[SasaS]

58 minutes ago, TK421 said:

You speak for Muslim women in Bethnal Green?  

 

53 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Somebody has to

 

Somebody does.

 

1 hour ago, TK421 said:

I guess it depends upon what you mean by preferable.  The thought process might have gone something like "everyone here hates Muslims, people like Rico and iPlop look at me funny, I think I might fuck off somewhere else".  Then she gets promised a normal life away from all that in some sort of utopia (she refers to the propaganda videos). 

 

[Pureblood]

Wow, that's so clever.

[Oh Buoy]

55 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

So we shouldn’t be surprised she was blasé because she knew exacty what was happening? Hardly a defence of her actions is it?  

 

Where did you get defence from? 

 

I was illustrating that trauma may play a part of not really being phased by death. Whether you want to conclude her comment as being a concern/a question of she would pose a threat to the public is simply your own judgement. We do not know why she said it or what she was thinking when she said it. 

[SasaS]

11 minutes ago, TK421 said:

Wow, that's so clever.

 

Well, yes, you are free to conjecture, but deny the same right to extrapolate to others.

[Rico1304]

6 minutes ago, .̯. said:

 

Where did you get defence from? 

 

I was illustrating that trauma may play a part of not really being phased by death. Whether you want to conclude her comment as being a concern/a question of she would pose a threat to the public is simply your own judgement. We do not know why she said it or what she was thinking when she said it. 

You actually said ‘There’s got to be some trauma there’ that’s your judgement.  I’m just reading her words.   

Begum said: "When I saw my first severed head in a bin it didn’t faze me at all.

"It was from a captured fighter seized on the battlefield, an enemy of Islam.

"I thought only of what he would have done to a Muslim woman if he had the chance.”

[Pureblood]

18 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

Well, yes, you are free to conjecture, but deny the same right to extrapolate to others.

I'm not denying anything, just asking a question.  

[Oh Buoy]

6 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

You actually said ‘There’s got to be some trauma there’ that’s your judgement.  I’m just reading her words.   

Begum said: "When I saw my first severed head in a bin it didn’t faze me at all.

"It was from a captured fighter seized on the battlefield, an enemy of Islam.

"I thought only of what he would have done to a Muslim woman if he had the chance.”

 

It was my judgement because of how common PTSD is in warzones and didn't her friend(s) get blown up too? 

 

You could read her words and think that she's a threat, or that she gets satisfaction from seeing an enemy of Islam beheaded or that she rationalised it following prior desensitisation. The truth is, we don't really know what she thinks or what her motives are. We could speculate on it until she returns and calls Anny Road a gobshite. I read that story/article and didn't really see anything other than a girl who has lost two? of her children prior to her third and has decided to take advantage of the NHS/care system and to ensure her kid is a British citizen to gain further support.

[Rico1304]

Not by then, no. 

 

Your timeline seems all over the place.  She hadn’t lost any kids by then, she knew exactly what was happening out there and was telling kids about it in school before she left.  She left to join in, this was her idea of utopia.  There’s every possibility she’s telling the truth and is just a religious nut job.  

 

Ive never said don’t let her back, personally I wouldn’t help her her back but if she got to a consulate then fair enough.  

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 hours ago, Section_31 said:

In the Levant is where she spent most of her days.

If you’ve not repped this yet, you’ve no business being on the GF. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 hours ago, Section_31 said:

In the Levant is where she spent most of her days.

If you’ve not repped this yet, you’ve no business being on the GF. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

I said, if you’ve not repped...

[Oh Buoy]

2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Not by then, no. 

 

Your timeline seems all over the place.  She hadn’t lost any kids by then, she knew exactly what was happening out there and was telling kids about it in school before she left.  She left to join in, this was her idea of utopia.  There’s every possibility she’s telling the truth and is just a religious nut job.  

 

Ive never said don’t let her back, personally I wouldn’t help her her back but if she got to a consulate then fair enough.  

 

 

 

Right, so it's not that out of place then.

 

From what I can be arsed reading it went like this: 

** Desensitisation Phase **

- Started to think ISIS was boss. 

- Told other cunts that ISIS was boss. 

- Two other mates thought ISIS was boss and planned the trip out. 

- They watched some more of ISIS videos and thought it was all amazing. 

- Committed to it and went to Syria. 

** Trauma Pathway ** 

- Sees some heads about

- Spent a couple of years there. 

- Mates died/she lost two kids. 

- Has 3rd kid coming up and wants to come back to UK and talks about how she wasn't arsed about the heads bit. 

- Everyone is like, 'nahhhhh lad. Stay over there you cunt'. 

** PTSD/breakdown diagnosis somewhere in the future **

 

So if that timeline is there about correct then we've seen similar stories to this and the comments about not being bothered should be reviewed by specialists. It could be that 4/5 years of seeing the worst of humanity and buying into the justification presents a more complex case than simply that she's coming back to be a sleeper and revive the cause of cunts. 

[Rico1304]

6 minutes ago, .̯. said:

 

Right, so it's not that out of place then.

 

From what I can be arsed reading it went like this: 

** Desensitisation Phase **

- Started to think ISIS was boss. 

- Told other cunts that ISIS was boss. 

- Two other mates thought ISIS was boss and planned the trip out. 

- They watched some more of ISIS videos and thought it was all amazing. 

- Committed to it and went to Syria. 

** Trauma Pathway ** 

- Sees some heads about

- Spent a couple of years there. 

- Mates died/she lost two kids. 

- Has 3rd kid coming up and wants to come back to UK and talks about how she wasn't arsed about the heads bit. 

- Everyone is like, 'nahhhhh lad. Stay over there you cunt'. 

** PTSD/breakdown diagnosis somewhere in the future **

 

So if that timeline is there about correct then we've seen similar stories to this and the comments about not being bothered should be reviewed by specialists. It could be that 4/5 years of seeing the worst of humanity and buying into the justification presents a more complex case than simply that she's coming back to be a sleeper and revive the cause of cunts. 

I’ll bow to your greater knowledge as seems you have some professional experience here.  What is it?  

 

Although to my uneducated eye it seems to be that everyone who went there can use the same reasoning.  At some point there’s personal responsibility.  

[Boss]

What's telling is her and her family's response. Not one single person has condemned her actions as moronic. She hasn't said "yeah, I was stupid". It's all ire about Britain, and us not doing enough for a terrorist! The sense of entitlement is mind blowing. 

[moof]

Lol, how would you know what her family has said about it

[Oh Buoy]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

I’ll bow to your greater knowledge as seems you have some professional experience here.  What is it?  

 

Although to my uneducated eye it seems to be that everyone who went there can use the same reasoning.  At some point there’s personal responsibility.  

 

I work in mental health and come across PTSD more than I'd like to. 

 

I'm merely just highlighting potential drivers in her actions. I'm not excusing or lightening her decision making/actions. She still, despite everything, acted on those thoughts/ideals and broke the law of the land. That is the personal responsibility that she now needs to face up to. 

 

I'll be watching this from a health perspective - there's no positive outcome to this. The unborn child is probably the biggest victim to the shitstorm she and her family have/will create. Even if it gets removed it'll probably have a horrid time in the care system. 

[Boss]

8 minutes ago, moof said:

Lol, how would you know what her family has said about it

Because they've spoken to the press.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

11 minutes ago, moof said:

Lol, how would you know what her family has said about it

Negged. Not for sentiment, but for typing "Lol".

 

I'm not angry moof, just disappointed.

[moof]

13 minutes ago, Boss said:

Because they've spoken to the press.

What, all of them? 

[Pureblood]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/16/shamima-begum-isis-extremism-expert-criticises-sajid-javid

[moof]

13 minutes ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

Negged. Not for sentiment, but for typing "Lol".

 

I'm not angry moof, just disappointed.

 

[Rico1304]

Long but interesting read

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/how-islamic-state-lured-three-uk-teenagers-1.2320836