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Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?


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  1. 1. Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?



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6 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Suits me. 

Same.

 

 

So Corbyn who is the only leader out of Labour, Lib-Tory and the Tories to have been honest throughout the election campaign, is set to lose to pure shithouse lies and dishonesty. 

 

The UK fucking deserve Johnson in power. 

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20 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

So Corbyn who is the only leader out of Labour, Lib-Tory and the Tories to have been honest throughout the election campaign, is set to lose to pure shithouse lies and dishonesty. 

 

The UK fucking deserve Johnson in power. 

 

Labour has had a great social media presence and an army of campaigners on the ground. And Johnson is a cunt that will have put a lot of people off too, so it might still be ok.

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I still see people are living in the fantasy land that it’s Corbyn’s image that’s his problem and it will be all rosy if the party just had somebody else in charge.  His problem is that he wants to tax high income earners and put public spending back up to what it used to be.  The media don’t like it because they all fit into that boat.  This idea that they all would have been shit scared of Campbell is actually hilarious.  If Campbell proposed the sort of policies Corbyn is then he would have been slaughtered with all sorts of stuff coming out of the closet.  As he’s an economic Tory he’s paraded around day time TV as if he’s some sort of Labour godfather.

 

Corbyn is one of only a very small number of MP’s who would have proposed a manifesto of this kind.  If you go to a Starmer or Burnham then you can expect Labour to return to being Tory lite.  Not only with their policies but also with their selection of candidates.  We will never see a genuine left wing candidate in charge of Labour again if this happens.  They will whitewash any attempts to increase democracy in the party and roll back the progressive changes we’ve seen.  They will not make the mistake of letting actual working people have a say again.

 

Corbyn is critical to the future of Labour and the future direction this country goes in.  We should all be hoping he stays in power until Labour has been completely democratised.

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15 minutes ago, The Guest said:

I still see people are living in the fantasy land that it’s Corbyn’s image that’s his problem and it will be all rosy if the party just had somebody else in charge.  His problem is that he wants to tax high income earners and put public spending back up to what it used to be.  The media don’t like it because they all fit into that boat.  This idea that they all would have been shit scared of Campbell is actually hilarious.  If Campbell proposed the sort of policies Corbyn is then he would have been slaughtered with all sorts of stuff coming out of the closet.  As he’s an economic Tory he’s paraded around day time TV as if he’s some sort of Labour godfather.

 

Corbyn is one of only a very small number of MP’s who would have proposed a manifesto of this kind.  If you go to a Starmer or Burnham then you can expect Labour to return to being Tory lite.  Not only with their policies but also with their selection of candidates.  We will never see a genuine left wing candidate in charge of Labour again if this happens.  They will whitewash any attempts to increase democracy in the party and roll back the progressive changes we’ve seen.  They will not make the mistake of letting actual working people have a say again.

 

Corbyn is critical to the future of Labour and the future direction this country goes in.  We should all be hoping he stays in power until Labour has been completely democratised.


You completely misunderstand Campbell’s role - no one is advocating him deciding on party policy. 
 

But the way he would manage the media and attack the tories would be a tenfold improvement on what we have now. 
 

The last GE and the referendum showed it wasn’t the ‘policy’ the party got wrong but they failed with their ‘message’. 
 

I hate the dumbing down of politics, it’s been great having a socialist leader who has the courage to put forward a genuinely popular, socialist agenda. 
 

Just imagine having someone run the media and press the way Campbell did to go along with that. 

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3 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:


You completely misunderstand Campbell’s role - no one is advocating him deciding on party policy. 
 

But the way he would manage the media and attack the tories would be a tenfold improvement on what we have now. 
 

The last GE and the referendum showed it wasn’t the ‘policy’ the party got wrong but they failed with their ‘message’. 
 

I hate the dumbing down of politics, it’s been great having a socialist leader who has the courage to put forward a genuinely popular, socialist agenda. 
 

Just imagine having someone run the media and press the way Campbell did to go along with that. 

I don't think it would work. The only reason Campbell got traction was because Blair moderated his policies to suit the right wing tabloids. A similar attack dog espousing Corbyn-esque social democratic policies would be ignored and vilified, hence the current strategy of not engaging with the press.

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1 minute ago, Mudface said:

I don't think it would work. The only reason Campbell got traction was because Blair moderated his policies to suit the right wing tabloids. A similar attack dog espousing Corbyn-esque social democratic policies would be ignored and vilified, hence the current strategy of not engaging with the press.


It would be a 100% improvement on what we have now. 

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Just now, Mudface said:

I don't think it would work. The only reason Campbell got traction was because Blair moderated his policies to suit the right wing tabloids. A similar attack dog espousing Corbyn-esque social democratic policies would be ignored and vilified, hence the current strategy of not engaging with the press.

Look at how they’ve spun Seamus Milne’s reputation and aims. A “left wing Alastair Campbell” would be summarily denounced as a Stalinist authoritarian dangerous evil cunt by the entirety of corporate media 

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The media/Murdoch agreed with everything Campbell and Labour were doing.  Labour and the tories were basically offering the same thing.  It was just one big game then and the media didn’t give a fuck who was in power because it wouldn’t effect them.  There’s no managing the media when you want to put the taxes up.  In terms of attacking the tories Corbyn has done a pretty good job at that as has been proven.

 

My point though in the original post was that it’s bigger then any of this detail.  Corbyn is basically all we’ve got if you don’t want the country to continue on the march right.  “Centrists” are right wing in all but name.  They shouldn’t be anywhere near power of Labour but they are.  It’s going to take years if not decades to turn that around.  Without a left wing leader it won’t happen at all.

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5 minutes ago, The Guest said:

The media/Murdoch agreed with everything Campbell and Labour were doing.  Labour and the tories were basically offering the same thing.  It was just one big game then and the media didn’t give a fuck who was in power because it wouldn’t effect them.  There’s no managing the media when you want to put the taxes up.  In terms of attacking the tories Corbyn has done a pretty good job at that as has been proven.

 

My point though in the original post was that it’s bigger then any of this detail.  Corbyn is basically all we’ve got if you don’t want the country to continue on the march right.  “Centrists” are right wing in all but name.  They shouldn’t be anywhere near power of Labour but they are.  It’s going to take years if not decades to turn that around.  Without a left wing leader it won’t happen at all.

 

5 minutes ago, moof said:

Look at how they’ve spun Seamus Milne’s reputation and aims. A “left wing Alastair Campbell” would be summarily denounced as a Stalinist authoritarian dangerous evil cunt by the entirety of corporate media 

 

5 minutes ago, RobbieOR said:

It doesn't mater who leads them as long as the Tories have lapdogs like Kuennsberg and Peston to spread lies for them. They don't want a socialist government and will do everything in their power to stop it. 


 

There’s only so much you can do as head of media in the Labour Party I agree. The right wing press will always want to fuck you over. 
 

However to try and claim Murdoch and the media agreed with everything Blair/Campbell put forward is just fanciful bollocks. 
 

Campbell was excellent at attacking the opposition, both the press and tories. 
 

He also always gave labour a clear, concise and easily sellable message. 
 

Detailed policy is great, but idiots vote with an easy to remember message/slogan. 
 

McDonnell even admitted labour had failed in this respect during his interview with Campbell. 

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17 minutes ago, RobbieOR said:

It doesn't mater who leads them as long as the Tories have lapdogs like Kuennsberg and Peston to spread lies for them. They don't want a socialist government and will do everything in their power to stop it. 

This is true, as is much of what The Guest said, however for many people, and by people I mean imbeciles, all the shite about the IRA and being a Russian spy etc resonates.

 

They won't vote for someone they believe "hates the UK". 

 

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14 minutes ago, RobbieOR said:

Campbell and Blair are not left wing though. Far from it. That's kind of the point. 

Yet achieved more progressive social policies than anybody in our lifetimes. Look, I fucking hate Blair, but not because he’s some right winger. Look at what the Brown/Blair combination gave to the country. Aside from the wars, I would much rather swallow the parts of their politics I find unpalatable than the Tories. 
 

BTW, I’m not saying Blairism is the only option. At all. 

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Media notwithstanding, why are you all so sure socialist policies are so popular with the public and the voters? The tow-party system has always pushed most radical ideas to the margins and favoured broad tents, it seems to be the tradition in anglophone countries.

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