Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Scooby Dudek]

5 minutes ago, magicrat said:

Yes because unwisely it will precede another referendum.  Separation of the two can only happen if we get a caretaker government to take us through Brexit and that largely depends on how flexible Corbyn is willing to be.  I tend to agree with you though but predicting anything these days is a mugs game

A caretaker government can only force a request to delay. The election committee says it would take at least six months to organise a referendum, that is why Labour propose one for six months after renegotiation of new deal. 

[magicrat]

Just now, Scooby Dudek said:

A caretaker government can only force a request to delay. The election committee says it would take at least six months to organise a referendum, that is why Labour propose one for six months after renegotiation of new deal. 

I stand corrected.  Of course a caretaker government couldn't last 6 months. It could of course agree a longer extension and pass a mandatory requirement that a public vote should confirm any terms on which we leave with Remain as an option.

[Rico1304]

4 hours ago, magicrat said:

I stand corrected.  Of course a caretaker government couldn't last 6 months. It could of course agree a longer extension and pass a mandatory requirement that a public vote should confirm any terms on which we leave with Remain as an option.

Could a caretaker government revoke A50? 

[magicrat]

2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Could a caretaker government revoke A50? 

I guess so . I think the PM has the power to do it and doesn't need an act of Parliament. Not backing that horse mind you

 

[Rico1304]

5 minutes ago, magicrat said:

I guess so . I think the PM has the power to do it and doesn't need an act of Parliament. Not backing that horse mind you

 

Could be an argument for giving it to a true independent.  Protect JC from the flack.  

[magicrat]

Just now, Rico1304 said:

Could be an argument for giving it to a true independent.  Protect JC from the flack.  

I doubt Corbyn wants to revoke without mandate

[cloggypop]

Ideal for me is Boris has to ask for extention, EU goes yeah alright 5 years, plays David Bowie and tells him to fuck off back home to get it ratified. 

[Brownie]

6 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

TBF, the tiff cunt is getting it from all angles. 

From political commentators. I was referring to voters.

[Numero Veinticinco]

21 minutes ago, Brownie said:

From political commentators. I was referring to voters.

Yeah, I guess we will have to wait and see what the voters really think of him. The buffoon. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

I think this is nonsense designed to deflect all criticism of Corbyn as being inspired by right-wing fear of socialism, or even more sinister motives. Pick someone politically close to Corbyn - Clive Lewis, for example. Has Clive Lewis ever done any of the extra-curricular things (I won't go to the trouble of listing them all here, we know what they are) that Corbyn has been attacked for? Of course he hasn't. Very few MPs have as much political baggage as Corbyn.

 

It's no skin off my nose, but I think it harms your cause if you're going to portray all critics of Corbyn as being motivated by ideological blinkers rather than opposition to aspects that are peculiar to the man himself.

If Clive Lewis were leader he would be getting all the heat, because everyone would know about whether he once posted a Facebook comment about censorship or whether he once made a joke about three Zionist hecklers failing to understand irony.

 

The point is that Corbyn's supposed baggage is a big pile of fuck all. I think the attacks are more political than personal: the people behind the attacks are determined that no Labour leader espousing an end to austerity, fair taxation of the richest and opposition to Apartheid will be allowed to be Prime Minister. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

6 hours ago, magicrat said:

Where I am is that I like Corbyns agenda . His Brighton speech was very good but I see no way it can put into practice unless Brexit is dealt with first . Not just getting an extension that can be reversed by the Tories if they win the GE but

joining together to form a caretaker government to see us through a second referendum with a Maybot type deal or remain . If the price of that is for Corbyn to stand aside and let someone like Clarke see it through then so be it.

Under these circumstances then Labour could win. 

May's deal is never getting through the House.  No type of deal is getting through this collection of MPs; that much has been obvious for about a year or more.

 

The only way to get any deal passed is to have a shake-up of the House - change the numbers of MPs who represent the different parties and different stances on Brexit - by having a General Election. That has to precede the referendum. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

Could a caretaker government revoke A50? 

If a majority of MPs voted for it.

 

It's not happening this side of a General Election, though. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

Could be an argument for giving it to a true independent.  Protect JC from the flack.  

Who would you count as "a true independent"?

[Rico1304]

13 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Who would you count as "a true independent"?

I’d say someone could be persuaded to take the job on the condition they resigned/retired immediately afterwards. Any party, doesn’t really matter.  

[Barrington Womble]

1 hour ago, cloggypop said:

Ideal for me is Boris has to ask for extention, EU goes yeah alright 5 years, plays David Bowie and tells him to fuck off back home to get it ratified. 

Yeah, but parliament can still turn that down and we are left with no deal. 

15 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

May's deal is never getting through the House.  No type of deal is getting through this collection of MPs; that much has been obvious for about a year or more.

 

The only way to get any deal passed is to have a shake-up of the House - change the numbers of MPs who represent the different parties and different stances on Brexit - by having a General Election. That has to precede the referendum. 

May's deal in this format, but I do think there's a version with some tweaks could probably get through just to get this over and to drag back in the expelled Tories. 

12 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Who would you count as "a true independent"?

It's a shame bercow didn't resign right away rather than wait for 31st october. I'm sure everyone including independents on the opposition benches would get behind him for this short period. 

[magicrat]

1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

May's deal is never getting through the House.  No type of deal is getting through this collection of MPs; that much has been obvious for about a year or more.

 

The only way to get any deal passed is to have a shake-up of the House - change the numbers of MPs who represent the different parties and different stances on Brexit - by having a General Election. That has to precede the referendum. 

I think May's deal could get passed now with a confirmatory public vote

[Bjornebye]

The earliest a general election can happen is 5th of November. The Tories are full of shit 

[aRdja]

They’ve admitted that it’s not and it’s never been about anti-semitism.

 

 

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Voters of the UK – your democracy doesn’t matter! Charles Walker says any election will be fixed

 

A Conservative MP has claimed that democracy in the UK has been fixed to ensure that a Jeremy Corbyn-led Labour Party will never form a government.

That was the message from Sir Charles Ashley Rupert Walker, Tory MP for Broxbourne in Hertfordshire who, we must conclude, bizarrely believes he is more representative of the electorate’s wishes than Mr Corbyn.

 

For clarity, this gentleman opposes equality and human rights, supports overseas wars and nuclear weapons but rejected moves to strengthen the military covenant to ensure fair treatment of armed forces personnel, absolutely revelled in cutting benefits – especially for the sick and disabled, attacked trade unions that would work for fair pay for workers but supported cuts in taxes for people who were immensely rich, supports the restriction of education to the rich and the privatisation of health care, likes fracking and climate change and hates forests.

He is also the only MP who actually said he would accept an 11 per cent pay increase in December 2013, when most people in the UK had been forced to accept no pay rises at all for years under Tory and Liberal Democrat rule.

And on the BBC’s Politics Live, earlier this week, he said this:

 

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“The House of Commons will never put Jeremy Corbyn into Number 10, that will never happen. Ever.” says Conservative Charles Walker

“He is not fit or proper person to be in Number 10”http://bbc.in/2l5UtwC  #politicslive

 

 

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1:10 PM - Sep 25, 2019

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How kind of him to let the cat out of the bag with such an offensive rant.

Certainly the Twitter user who posts as “Chuka Umunna’s Flip Flops” was grateful: “Charles Walker has let the cat out of the bag. The establishment, including Labour MPs, are conspiring to prevent Jeremy Corbyn becoming PM.”

“This is what the AS [anti-Semitism] smear was always about,” tweeted Jackie Walker, picking up on possibly the most offensive claim in her namesake’s rant. Ms Walker was expelled from the Labour Party because of a false allegation of anti-Semitism and knows the subject well. “How dare they contradict the democratic process if he’s voted in!”

She was supported by Tom London: “I am Jewish. I support Labour. I am appalled at what he says here.”

And of Jeremy Corbyn himself, Charlotte Moore added: “I’m of Jewish heritage, he’s my MP and I have never witnessed any anti-Semitic behaviour from him.”

Nicola James pointed out that the leader this MP supports has a provably worse record: “How dare Charles Walker make unsubstantiated smears against Jeremy Corbyn & question if he’s a “fit and proper person to be in No 10”, when current incumbent he’s propping is a proven: Serial liar; Serial cheat; Serial criminal; Expenses fiddler.”

And “Ned Kelly” summed up what many of us may conclude, reading between the lines: “They know that if Jeremy Corbyn gets into Number 10, he’ll be there for a very long time. Once the public see the positive outcomes from his policies, they’ll never vote for the Conservatives or Lib Dems again.”

Perhaps worst of all was the apparent tacit support of this MP’s claims by Labour’s Lisa Nandy, If you’ve played the clip, you’ve heard that she had nothing to say in support of Mr Corbyn or her own party – only that there were weeks to go until the electorate would be asked to choose.

Grr@Grraarrgh

 · Sep 25, 2019

 

Replying to @TomLondon6

The worst thing about the clip is the utterly pathetic lack of push back from Lisa Nandy who knows perfectly well that Jeremy has been fighting racism and antisemitism for as long as she's been alive. I'm sick of these spineless PLP members refusing to stand up for whats right.

Patricia Bell@Peegabear

 

It’s quite deliberate. She wishes to undermine Corbyn and will never support him in any way. She is pursuing her own agenda and ambition.

 

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So it seems Sir Charles Walker was right about at least some members of the Labour Party conspiring to keep Mr Corbyn out of Downing Street.

That is just as offensive as the Tory’s babble.

 

 

[magicrat]

12 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

If a majority of MPs voted for it.

 

It's not happening this side of a General Election, though. 

I don't think it needs the HoC to approve it but its not happening as you say  

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Peston is saying that the SNP are willing to back Corbyn being installed as a caretaker PM in any government of national unity. 

 

Let's see if other parties are willing to put the future of the country before their desire to keep Corbyn out of number 10, even if it's only for a matter of weeks. 

 

It's time for these parties to do something tangible to show that they're against Brexit, otherwise their the tort will come across as nothing more than a load of "Bollocks." 

[Numero Veinticinco]

6 hours ago, viRdjil said:

They’ve admitted that it’s not and it’s never been about anti-semitism.

 

 

How dare you point out that they are admitting it's a political move. You fucking raging antisemite! 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

IS. FUCKING. RIGHT. 

 

https://skwawkbox.org/2019/09/28/hodge-triggered-in-barking/

[Creator Supreme]

1 hour ago, Nelly-Torres said:

IS. FUCKING. RIGHT. 

 

https://skwawkbox.org/2019/09/28/hodge-triggered-in-barking/

She needs triggering in to the sun!

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Another couple of Labour MPs have been subject to trigger ballots. 

 

You wouldn't know though as there's very little comment from the Twitterati as there's very little political capital to be made from these latest two.