Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[aRdja]

[Rico1304]

Panorama should be interesting this week.  

[sir roger]

16 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Panorama should be interesting this week.  

It will , I just hope we are looking at new or proper issues or accusations with the usual allowance in documentaries for the target of these accusations to give their side of the matters , which isn't happening much in the media. The rumours are that it will be a regurgitation of old stuff from the Murdoch papers over the past year or so which are more or less discredited , but we will see.

 

Just out of interest this is the record of that anti-semitic c**t Corbyn over the years , and the party since he became leader.

 

To correct the imbalance caused by poor mainstream journalist, below are forty facts about the issue that will rarely, if ever, appear in the so-called ‘MSM’:

 

1. In October 1936, Jeremy Corbyn’s mother participated in the battle of Cable Street indefence of British Jews after British fascists had staged an assault on the area. Corbyn was raised in a household passionately opposed to antisemitism in all its forms.

 

2. In 23rd April 1977, Corbyn organised a counter-demonstrationto protect Wood Green from a neo-nazi march through the district. The area had a significant Jewish population.

 

3. On 7 November 1990, Corbyn signed a motion condemning the rise of antisemitism in the UK

 

4. In 2002 Jeremy Corbyn led a clean-up and vigil at Finsbury Park Synagogue which had been vandalised in an anti-Semitic attack

 

5. On 30 April 2002, Corbyn tabled a motion in the House of Commons condemning ananti-Semitic attackon a London Synagogue

6. On 26 November 2003, Jeremy Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motioncondemningterrorist attacks on two synagogues

 

7. In February 2009, Jeremy Corbyn signed a parliamentary motion condemning a fascist for establishing a website to host antisemitic materials

 

8. On 24th March 2009, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising British Jews who resisted the Holocaust by risking their lives to save potential victims

 

9. Nine years ago, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising “Jewish News”for its pioneering investigation into the spread of Antisemitism on Facebook

 

10. On 9 February 2010, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion calling for an investigation into Facebook and its failure to prevent the spread of antisemitic materials on its site.

 

11. On 27 October 2010, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising the late Israeli Prime Minister for pursuing a two state solution to the Israel/Palestine question.

 

12. On 13 June 2012, Corbyn sponsored and signed a motion condemning the BBC for cutting a Jewish Community television programme from its schedule.

 

13. 1 October 2013, Corbyn appeared on the BBC to defend Ralph Miliband against vile antisemitic attacks by the UK press.

 

14. Five years ago Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion condemning antisemitism in sport.

 

15. On 1 March 2013, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion condemning and expressing concern at growing levels of antisemitism in European football.

 

16. On 9 January 2014, Jeremy Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising Holocaust education programmes that had taken 20,000 British students to Auschwitz.

 

17. On 22 June 2015, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion expressing concern at the neo-nazi march being planned for an area of London with a significant Jewish population.

 

18. On 9 October 2016, Corbyn, close to tears, commemorated the 1936 Battle of Cable Street and recalled the role his mother played in defending London’s Jewish community.

 

19. On 3 December 2016, Corbyn made a visit to Terezin Concentration Camp when Jewish people were murdered by the Nazis. It was Jeremy’s third visit to such a camp, all of which were largely unreported in the most read UK papers.

 

20. Last year, a widely-endorsed 2018 academic report found ninety-five serious reporting failures in the reporting of the Labour antisemitism story with the worst offenders The Sun, the Mail & the BBC.

 

21. On 28 February 2016, five months after becoming leader, Jeremy Corbyn appointed Baroness Royall to investigate antisemitism at Oxford University Labour Club.

 

22. On 27 April 2016 Corbyn suspended an MP pending an investigation into antisemitism.

 

23. A day later, Corbyn suspended the three times Mayor of London after complaints of antisemitic comments. Party.

 

24. On 29 April 2016, Corbyn launched an inquiry into the prevalence of antisemitism in the Labour Party. In spite of later changes in how the inquiry was reported, it was initially praised by Jewish community organisations.

 

25. In Corbyn’s first seven months as leader of the Labour Party, just ten complaints were received about antisemitism. 90% of those were suspended from the Labour Party within 24 hours.

 

26. In September 2017, Corbyn backed a motion at Labour’s annual conference introducing a new set of rules regarding antisemitism.

 

27. In the six months that followed the introduction of the new code of conduct, to March 2018, 94% of the fifty-four people accused of antisemitism remained suspended or barred from Labour Party membership. Three of the fifty-four were exonerated.

 

28. When Jennie Formby became general secretary of the party last year, she appointed a highly-qualified in-house Counsel, as recommended in the Chakrabarti Report.

 

29. In 2018, Labour almost doubled the size of its staff team handling investigations and dispute processes.

 

30. Last year, to speed up the handling of antisemitism cases, smaller panels of 3-5 NEC members were established to enable cases to be heard more quickly.

 

31. Since 2018, every complaint made about antisemitism is allocated its own independent specialist barrister to ensure due process is followed.

 

32. The entire backlog of cases outstanding upon Jennie Formby becoming General Secretary of the Labour Party was cleared within 6 months of Jennie taking up her post.

 

33. Since September 2018, Labour has doubled the size of its National Constitutional Committee (NCC) – its senior disciplinary panel – from 11 to 25 members to enable it to process cases more quickly.

 

34. Under Formby and Labour’s left-run NEC, NCC arranged elections at short notice to ensure the NCC reached its new full capacity without delay.

 

35. Since later 2018, the NCC routinely convenes a greater number of hearing panels to allow cases to be heard and finalised without delay.

 

36. In 2018, the NEC established a ‘Procedures Working Group’ to lead reforms in the way disciplinary cases are handled.

 

37. The NEC adopted the IHRA working definition of antisemitism and all eleven examples of antisemitism attached to it.

 

38. A rule change agreed at Conference in 2018 means that all serious complaints, including antisemitism, are dealt with nationally to ensure consistency.

 

39. Last year, Jennie Formby wrote to the admins and moderators of Facebook groups about how they can effectively moderate online spaces and requested that any discriminatory content be reported to the Labour Party for investigation.

 

40. Since last year, no one outside Labour’s Governance and Legal Unit can be involved in decision-making on antisemitism investigations. This independence allows decisions free from political influence to be taken.

[Rico1304]

That’s pretty lame.  

 

But you’re right, could help to clear it up.  

 

Good that it’s Panorama, we’ve got trust in them. 

[aRdja]

https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2018/09/17/jewish-intellectual-noam-chomsky-just-took-apart-the-antisemitism-smears-against-corbyn-2/

 

Noam Chomsky:

 

“The charges of anti-Semitism against Corbyn are without merit, an underhanded contribution to the disgraceful efforts to fend off the threat that a political party might emerge that is led by an admirable and decent human being, a party that is actually committed to the interests and just demands of its popular constituency and the great majority of the population generally”

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, viRdjil said:

https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2018/09/17/jewish-intellectual-noam-chomsky-just-took-apart-the-antisemitism-smears-against-corbyn-2/

 

Noam Chomsky:

 

“The charges of anti-Semitism against Corbyn are without merit, an underhanded contribution to the disgraceful efforts to fend off the threat that a political party might emerge that is led by an admirable and decent human being, a party that is actually committed to the interests and just demands of its popular constituency and the great majority of the population generally”

Has he had a preview?  

[aRdja]

28 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Has he had a preview?  

Not sure bud. But If you’re looking for impartial analysis on this issue, I’d probably go with Chomsky before the British media (including the BBC). 

[Rico1304]

34 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Not sure bud. But If you’re looking for impartial analysis on this issue, I’d probably go with Chomsky before the British media (including the BBC). 

As I said, it may clear it all up.  I’m assuming NC has had access to all the evidence. Or he’s speculating. 

[Rico1304]

Seems that Labour has written to ex employees reminding them of NDAs...a year after JC saying he’d stop them being used to hide discrimination.  

[aRdja]

Apparently it’s going to be yet another smear job according to normally reliable skwawkbox. Eeek.

 

https://skwawkbox.org/2019/07/05/as-bbc-prepares-unprecedented-smear-fest-here-are-40-labour-antisemitism-facts-it-may-not-mention/

[lifetime fan]

10 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Apparently it’s going to be yet another smear job according to normally reliable skwawkbox. Eeek.

 

https://skwawkbox.org/2019/07/05/as-bbc-prepares-unprecedented-smear-fest-here-are-40-labour-antisemitism-facts-it-may-not-mention/

 

They may have been able to find out what some people have told the beeb, but the actual programme won’t have its final edit until about 5 o’clock the evening it’s broadcast. 

[Rico1304]

26 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Apparently it’s going to be yet another smear job according to normally reliable skwawkbox. Eeek.

 

https://skwawkbox.org/2019/07/05/as-bbc-prepares-unprecedented-smear-fest-here-are-40-labour-antisemitism-facts-it-may-not-mention/

Col knows. 

 

Letter about NDAs?  Could be nothing of course. Could clear JC and the party.

[aRdja]

Not really sure what you’re referring to here. Give me a summary please.

[sir roger]

Kinnock Jr insisting that Corbyn whips Labour mp's to accept May's trice-rejected deal.

 

Thought it was 1st April.

[Sugar Ape]

53 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Apparently it’s going to be yet another smear job according to normally reliable skwawkbox. Eeek.

 

https://skwawkbox.org/2019/07/05/as-bbc-prepares-unprecedented-smear-fest-here-are-40-labour-antisemitism-facts-it-may-not-mention/

 

Normally reliable my arse. It’s literally some bloke sitting in his bedroom leaking stuff he’s told to say by the Labour readership. Here’s just a small sample of the shite he comes out with:

 

 

In fact, the only ‘alt news’ site on the left worse than it is The Canary which you’ve also quoted. No one has contributed more articles to the Canary website than Steve Topple. Here are a couple of his tweets, you can find plenty more stuff like it if you want to look. 

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

As I said, it may clear it all up.  I’m assuming NC has had access to all the evidence. Or he’s speculating. 

The Chomsky quote has got nothing to do with Panorama.  The Canary article in the link and the MediaLens article it originally comes from are from September last year.

 

If the Panorama programme actually provides some evidence either that Corbyn is anti-Semitic or that Labour has a widespread anti-Semitism problem, then it will be interesting.  On the other hand, if it reported the known - but often unreported - facts about how anti-Semitism in Labour is incredibly rare (and that Labour is the major party most seriously committed to eradicating it) that would also be interesting.

 

If it just gives yet another platform for dreary shit-shouters like Hodge and Mann to spew their toxins, then it's best avoided.

 

We'll see.

[aRdja]

12 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

 

Normally reliable my arse. It’s literally some bloke sitting in his bedroom leaking stuff he’s told to say by the Labour readership. Here’s just a small sample of the shite he comes out with:

 

 

In fact, the only ‘alt news’ site on the left worse than it is The Canary which you’ve also quoted. No one has contributed more articles to the Canary website than Steve Topple. Here are a couple of his tweets, you can find plenty more stuff like it if you want to look. 

 

 

I find Skwawkbox a lot more balanced than other ‘alt’ sources e.g., MailOnline, Guido Fawkes, with regards to Corbyn IMO... but each to his own obviously.

[aRdja]

14 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

The Chomsky quote has got nothing to do with Panorama.  The Canary article in the link and the MediaLens article it originally comes from are from September last year.

 

If the Panorama programme actually provides some evidence either that Corbyn is anti-Semitic or that Labour has a widespread anti-Semitism problem, then it will be interesting.  On the other hand, if it reported the known - but often unreported - facts about how anti-Semitism in Labour is incredibly rare (and that Labour is the major party most seriously committed to eradicating it) that would also be interesting.

 

If it just gives yet another platform for dreary shit-shouters like Hodge and Mann to spew their toxins, then it's best avoided.

 

We'll see.

I hope the BBC learnt a lesson from that time Laura Kuennsberg was found guilty of smearing Corbyn.

[sir roger]

The guy running the programme , John Ware ,  has won an 'award' for Islamophobia from the Council of Muslims , had the BBC pay libel damages for claiming a Palestinian charity was a front for terrorism , criticised ultra-orthodox Jewish people for not being supportive enough of Zionism and is already the subject of a complaint by Labour over a hatchet-piece on Corbyn in the run-up to the first leadership election.

 

I am sure it will be a fair & balanced piece on Wednesday.

[Jairzinho]

8 hours ago, Sugar Ape said:

 

Normally reliable my arse. It’s literally some bloke sitting in his bedroom leaking stuff he’s told to say by the Labour readership. Here’s just a small sample of the shite he comes out with:

 

 

In fact, the only ‘alt news’ site on the left worse than it is The Canary which you’ve also quoted. No one has contributed more articles to the Canary website than Steve Topple. Here are a couple of his tweets, you can find plenty more stuff like it if you want to look. 

 

 

Not that I have any skin in the game, as I have no opinion about The Canary, but this seems a slightly unfair way of summarising a media outlet.

 

As he has also written for the Independent does that discredit the entire newspaper? 

 

You'd be hard pressed to find a paper/website that hasn't had an absolute tit writing for them at some point. In fact, I'd imagine every single newspaper currently has an anti-semite writing for them.

[Rico1304]

1 hour ago, sir roger said:

The guy running the programme , John Ware ,  has won an 'award' for Islamophobia from the Council of Muslims , had the BBC pay libel damages for claiming a Palestinian charity was a front for terrorism , criticised ultra-orthodox Jewish people for not being supportive enough of Zionism and is already the subject of a complaint by Labour over a hatchet-piece on Corbyn in the run-up to the first leadership election.

 

I am sure it will be a fair & balanced piece on Wednesday.

Here’s some stuff he’s done too;

 

According to the BBC, some of Ware's accomplishments while employed by the broadcaster include:^[3]

• 1984, filming two Scotland Yard Flying Squadofficers in the act of setting up an armed robbery and his evidence led to their trial at the Old Bailey.
• 1989, uncovering evidence that led first to the District Auditor and then the High Court to accuse Dame Shirley Porter of "gerrymandering" by attempting to rig the Westminster City Council's elections.
• 1990, discovering an attempt by paratroopers in Belfast to cover up the unlawful shooting of joyriders.^[7] However the murder conviction of the paratrooper, Lee Clegg, for this incident was ultimately quashed on appeal.^[8]
• 1996, reporting on human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia and how the Sharia courts sent an innocent young man to his death by public beheading.
• 1997, discovering papers belonging to the Deputy Prime Minister showing that despite elections promises to the contrary, the new Labour government planned to privatise the London Underground within two months of taking office.
• 1998, unearthing evidence showing that Deborah Parry, one of the two "Saudi Nurses" was innocent of murdering Yvonne Gilford in 1996.
• 1998, securing evidence of secret price fixing deals between car dealers and three leading motor manufacturers, including Volvo which led to the Director General of Fair Trading John Bridgeman to accuse the Swedish car giant of "disgraceful" conduct, while pointing out that under the government's proposed new competition laws, the company could have been fined £70m.
• 2000, reporting that in contravention of New Labour's strict contest rules, the party's General Secretary and her senior officials were responsible for leaking a confidential list of London party members to Downing Street's London Mayoral candidate Frank Dobson giving him an unfair advantage over rival candidate Ken Livingstone.

In 2012, Ware took voluntary redundancy from the BBC, but has continued with some freelance work.^[1]Since leaving the BBC, he has published articles about its top management.^[9][1

[aRdja]

1 hour ago, sir roger said:

The guy running the programme , John Ware ,  has won an 'award' for Islamophobia from the Council of Muslims , had the BBC pay libel damages for claiming a Palestinian charity was a front for terrorism , criticised ultra-orthodox Jewish people for not being supportive enough of Zionism and is already the subject of a complaint by Labour over a hatchet-piece on Corbyn in the run-up to the first leadership election.

 

I am sure it will be a fair & balanced piece on Wednesday.

Sounds like he’d be impartial alright yeah.

[Rico1304]

12 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Sounds like he’d be impartial alright yeah.

Yes, mustn’t criticise Cage.  

[AngryOfTuebrook]

11 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Yes, mustn’t criticise Cage.  

The remake of The Wicker Man was garbage.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, sir roger said:

The guy running the programme , John Ware ,  has won an 'award' for Islamophobia from the Council of Muslims , had the BBC pay libel damages for claiming a Palestinian charity was a front for terrorism , criticised ultra-orthodox Jewish people for not being supportive enough of Zionism and is already the subject of a complaint by Labour over a hatchet-piece on Corbyn in the run-up to the first leadership election.

 

I am sure it will be a fair & balanced piece on Wednesday.

I'm not sure Rico's absolute faith in the impartiality of Panorama is completely justified.

 

Still, they might run counter to previous form and do some actual honest journalism. We'll see.