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Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?


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Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?  

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  1. 1. Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?



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41 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

If Labour move back to the centre ground I wouldn't vote for them, and they would lose a huge amount of the support they won in the last general election. If Labour essentially just becomes Tory light then whats the point? I understand your argument of any Labour goverment is better than no Labour government and yes they did do some good things early on in New Labour, but this is partly why we are now in such a mess, because Blair picked the easy route to victory, rather than playing the longer game. 

 

Boris Johnson is going to become Prime minister, there's nothing we can do about that, yet!

I am pretty sure he will be an even bigger disaster than May and Cameron though and even with the DUP propping them up they only have a working majority of about four? now?

 

When they fail to leave again on the 31st of October, they will be absolutely finished and this is when Labour can pounce. 

 

Labour will not win a general election with Corbyn leading labour. Nothing is surer. And like it or not, Johnson is liked by large parts of this idiotic country. The sooner he calls a GE, the better his chance. It's why he's saying fuck all now. Just wait, he'll get in, have a row with Europe, say he needs a stronger government to put 2 fingers up to Brussels and campaign on fighting on the beaches and if the country backs him, he can lead us to a globe painted pink again as the world is desperate for an independent UK a d the masses in those key seats will lap it up. 

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7 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

My point is that the narrative on here is that Williamson is innocent and people saying he isn’t are either Israeli stooges, anti Corbyn shysters or not true Labour supporters.  So, Lansman doesn’t fall into any of those camps, heads Corbyns cheerleaders and not a fucking word from any of the usual suspects.  Even pretending not to know what he’d said.  

Williamson and Lansman don't always see eye to eye. That's not news.

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6 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

I understand where you're coming from and agree with large parts. But I cannot bring myself to want to create a situation that will allow Boris Johnson the keys to the country for 5 years plus however long he can suck out of this term. 

 

As for your comment about me mentioning people get their news from social media, social media works two ways. It promotes far right politics and fears and brings them into the mainstream every bit as much as they've helped the left have something the rally behind. That's my point. And it's not just this country, it's got trump in to the White house too - and another example of knowing it's not about winning the popular vote, but winning in the right places. 

 

And I'd have David milliband before Johnson every day of the week. I think labour have better and will do better, but he's still a better option than Johnson. 

At least the Democratic Party in the US understands it needs to shift lanes to the left to have a remote chance of defeating the far right. Milquetoast centre politics is deader than dead 

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5 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Nobody on the left or the far right is voting for David Miliband.

 

The sort of media that supports him is dying.

 

And if your only requirement is someone being a better option than Johnson then I suppose what we want from the Labour party is quite different.

I want a labour party that wins. I'd like it to be as far left as it can be and still win. But any version of labour is better than any version of Tory. It's that simple to me. 

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Just now, Barry Wom said:

I want a labour party that wins. I'd like it to be as far left as it can be and still win. But any version of labour is better than any version of Tory. It's that simple to me. 

Fair enough. Not good enough for me, because it allows the Tory party to drift as far to the right as they want and Labour to chase them.

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3 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

Labour will not win a general election with Corbyn leading labour. Nothing is surer. And like it or not, Johnson is liked by large parts of this idiotic country. The sooner he calls a GE, the better his chance. It's why he's saying fuck all now. Just wait, he'll get in, have a row with Europe, say he needs a stronger government to put 2 fingers up to Brussels and campaign on fighting on the beaches and if the country backs him, he can lead us to a globe painted pink again as the world is desperate for an independent UK a d the masses in those key seats will lap it up. 

 

Yes, but he'll completely lose the Pro remain Tory supporters, probably to the Lib Dems? Whlst the Hard right in Labour leave areas would vote Brexit Party. 

 

I don't see how he would win a majority this way?

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6 minutes ago, moof said:

At least the Democratic Party in the US understands it needs to shift lanes to the left to have a remote chance of defeating the far right. Milquetoast centre politics is deader than dead 

The democratic party is in a position where it's core support is growing in population percentage so can afford to move in that direction. It remains to be seen if that can win a presidential election, because it's never fought one. Unlike Corbyn who has fought and general election and lost. 

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4 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Fair enough. Not good enough for me, because it allows the Tory party to drift as far to the right as they want and Labour to chase them.

I think it works the other way. When labour wins the middle ground, it pulls the Tories in to regain it. In fact it's an absolute 2 way street. With FPTP, the middle ground in this country is where elections are won. It might not even be the most popular place across the population, but it's where the battle ground is. Until we rid ourselves of FPTP, it will continue. 

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3 hours ago, Barry Wom said:

Ok, let's have Boris for 5 years. I think we have to live with the reality England is a right wing nation, labour have lost Scotland, if you want any hope of a labour government, labour needs to win in places where Corbyn will not get elected in england as they're not winning Scotland back any time soon. Rightly or wrongly people are petrified of him. 

I don't think England is as irredeemably  Tory as you think.

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6 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

A decade in which Tony Blair's three successors as leader have failed to win three general elections, you mean?

Two of those successors were watered down versions of Blair and continued the trend of Labour’s declining GE vote share that began under Blair and was only reversed by a democratic Socialist.

 

Tony Blair today is almost universally seen as the embodiment of all that is venal, corrupt, dishonest and distant in British politics. 

 

Rolf Harris played Glastonbury in the 90s; that doesn't mean he'd be a hit there today.

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8 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Tony Blair today is almost universally seen as the embodiment of all that is venal, corrupt, dishonest and distant in British politics. 

 

That sounds like the sort of claim that requires supporting evidence.

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38 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Rico, champion of the poor. Tory voting, Referendum agreeing Rico, voting to 'look after himself', champion of the poor. 

 

 

What are you on about?  I voted Tory, I’m absolutely against Brexit (but you know that) and I’m not the champion of anyone. That’s your mate. You spout off in the Brexit thread that it’s an unmitigated disaster then trot out the ‘it’s what conference voted for’ bollocks.  You are the one twisting all over the shop.  

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4 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

What are you on about?  I voted Tory, I’m absolutely against Brexit (but you know that) and I’m not the champion of anyone. That’s your mate. You spout off in the Brexit thread that it’s an unmitigated disaster then trot out the ‘it’s what conference voted for’ bollocks.  You are the one twisting all over the shop.  

 

Too late Rico. You voted Tory once and are therefore responsible for everything the Tories do from now until the heat death of the universe.

 

Obviously this perpetual can-carrying does not apply to anyone who voted Labour in the 90s/00s wrt the Iraq War, PFI, invasive surveillance, the collapse of our entire financial system etc.

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1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

What are you on about?  I voted Tory, I’m absolutely against Brexit (but you know that) and I’m not the champion of anyone. That’s your mate. You spout off in the Brexit thread that it’s an unmitigated disaster then trot out the ‘it’s what conference voted for’ bollocks.  You are the one twisting all over the shop.  

I think you must have quoted the wrong person. My mate? I'm one of the few on here on the left that regularly hits out at Corbyn. Then the conference stuff... yeah, must have been for somebody else. 

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3 hours ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

That sounds like the sort of claim that requires supporting evidence.

Whenever he crops up on the telly, have you ever heard anyone say "Waddaguy! He's who we need right now"?

 

Or is the response more likely to be "Fucking hell, not this cunt again"?

 

I think the fact that the only person on here flying the flag for the war criminal is someone who would happily see the Labour Party crash and burn tells its own story.

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