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Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?


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Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?  

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  1. 1. Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?



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18 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

Chris Williamson tried the first method, and look at whats happened to him. Even if he offered up psuedo aologies the press would just twist it into something else. Its a lose lose situation, which is exactly what the opposition to Corbyn want.

No, but it has to come from Corbyn. It has to come from the top.

 

And somewhere in his statement it should say "and it's high time you fucked off as well, Margaret, you snide old cunt."

 

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I've not really been arsed either way if Corbyn goes or not for a while until it started to look like Johnson was going to be PM, which for me has brought urgency to the debate as it will - probably in the next six months - present Labour with the biggest open goal they've had since the 90s.

 

So for my money he needs to do the right thing and step aside for someone less divisive who could beat him and beat him royally. 

 

He's shown a lack of leadership in a considerable number of spheres because, let's face it, he isn't one and has no interest in being one. He's an outsider and that's where he enjoys being. 

 

I also think he's more of an anarchist than a socialist, unlike say, McDonnell, who is probably far closer to my personal politics. I reckon the latter expends a lot of time actually imagining and dreaming of how a real, functioning socialist state would operate, wheras I always get the impression Corbyn would be happy to just have the chips fall where they may as long as he could secure his own personal ideological foreign policy goals.

 

I think too that he's more interested in changing the party than the country, and I reckon if Russel Grant turned up with a crystal ball and told him there was no way he'd ever win an election and that the Tories would still be in power 20 years from now, he still wouldn't step down. Which is absolutely no good to me, or the many people who will quite literally continue to did and suffer under this Tory regime. 

 

Much is often said about Labour getting back to its working class roots, but there's no working class left, it's been socially engineered away. Maybe one day there will be again, but for now we have to play the hand we're dealt.  If that means becoming the "not the Tories" party then so be it. 

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3 minutes ago, moof said:

Aye but who the hell is capable of taking over from him who isn’t in some way corrupted? Ed Milliband again? Fuckin... Laura Piddock? Christ knows 

Nah most of the young'uns are too lightweight. Starmer or Thornbury I reckon. 

 

Although my spell check just briefly changed Starmer to Shatner. What a world that would be.

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2 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Nah most of the young'uns are too lightweight. Starmer or Thornbury I reckon. 

 

Although my spell check just briefly changed Starmer to Shatner. What a world that would be.

Aye, this is my point mate. It’s a real paucity of options. Starmer, though talented, has been around for 5 minutes... who knows which direction he’ll turn. Thornbury, similarly talented but does she have the right credentials to carry a movement, does she have the drive and ambition to bring real structural change? 

 

We desperately need someone who isn’t in thrall to big money interests, someone who recognises the overwhelming crises and impending doom of late stage capitalism. Someone committed to dealing with the effects of climate change, someone to fight the established power structures tooth and nail. I don’t think there’s any hope of that in the Labour Party - Corbyn is the best shot, the project lives and dies with him imo

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3 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

Clive Lewis?

Possibly although still seems quite lightweight compared to the other options. 

 

It's clear the Labour Metro mayors in part probably took those jobs so they could circle the runway while Labour fights within itself, so the likes of Burnham probably still has serious and probably far more credible ambitions than last time.

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Starmer was a coup member and is in cahoots with Watson , so no thanks.

 

If Corbyn resigned tomorrow the only person I would feel could keep us a leftish path while being less marmite to the right & centrist wings would be McDonnell. 3 or 4 years younger and a better real-world politician in my opinion ( And a scouser ). His age would also mean the younger candidates could show their talents for potential leadership and not have to wait too long.

 

On a separate point to S31 , I think this ' Anybody could beat the Tories ' is just not true. The country is very conservative with a small c and probably drifting even further that way. Once the Brexit shit is resolved one way or the other they will go into self-protection mode and rally around the leader at the time.

 

Any Labour leader ( whether Corbyn or not ) will have massive issues including warring factions, incredibly biased press  and Scotland and Wales, without even touching on the fallout of the Labour Brexit debate.

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3 minutes ago, moof said:

Aye but who the hell is capable of taking over from him who isn’t in some way corrupted? Ed Milliband again? Fuckin... Laura Piddock? Christ knows 

Somebody that can be more popular than the least popular people to ever do job would be a start. I'd be happy with somebody like Sir Keir Starmer. He 'could' go off on an unknown direction, but he's been an MP for 5 years, so I think it's unlikely. At least he's smart, presentable, and pragmatic. We need something to change and change soon. Boris Johnson is going to be the PM. May has been a disaster. The Tories are falling apart... and still they can't be moved. It's really not great. 

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1 hour ago, moof said:

Aye but who the hell is capable of taking over from him who isn’t in some way corrupted? Ed Milliband again? Fuckin... Laura Piddock? Christ knows 

 

Corrupted in what sense? Corrupted by not being a commie?

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33 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Starmer was a coup member and is in cahoots with Watson , so no thanks.

 

If Corbyn resigned tomorrow the only person I would feel could keep us a leftish path while being less marmite to the right & centrist wings would be McDonnell. 3 or 4 years younger and a better real-world politician in my opinion ( And a scouser ). His age would also mean the younger candidates could show their talents for potential leadership and not have to wait too long.

 

On a separate point to S31 , I think this ' Anybody could beat the Tories ' is just not true. The country is very conservative with a small c and probably drifting even further that way. Once the Brexit shit is resolved one way or the other they will go into self-protection mode and rally around the leader at the time.

 

Any Labour leader ( whether Corbyn or not ) will have massive issues including warring factions, incredibly biased press  and Scotland and Wales, without even touching on the fallout of the Labour Brexit debate.

Keir is far and away the best candidate. He’s fucking bright, charismatic and well respected across the parties. 

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Starmer is a an unknown. If he isn’t committed to dismantling the current power structures then he’s next to useless. This is not a normal time. He may have made a fantastic leader 10-15 years ago. Today? We need someone who can accelerate a radical, systemic global change. 

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56 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Starmer was a coup member and is in cahoots with Watson  

 

I’ve seen no evidence of this (that’s not to say it didn’t happen) and the way Corbyn has been accused of treating those going against him I highly doubt he’d have been in post for so long and trusted with such important negotiations. 

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3 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

 

I’ve seen no evidence of this (that’s not to say it didn’t happen) and the way Corbyn has been accused of treating those going against him I highly doubt he’d have been in post for so long and trusted with such important negotiations. 

Owen smith challenged him for leader and was awarded a place in the shadow cabinet - until he resigned for some publicity. Corbyn is probably too accommodating to his enemies, if anything. 

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Just now, moof said:

Starmer is a an unknown. If he isn’t committed to dismantling the current power structures then he’s next to useless. This is not a normal time. He may have made a fantastic leader 10-15 years ago. Today? We need someone who can accelerate a radical, systemic global change. 

Honestly, mate. I think you're living in a fantasy world if you thing that's going to happen or that Corbyn can make it happen. 

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