Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[moof]

2 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

Lmao. You absolute ghoul

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Isn't anybody just a little bit sceptical to take as gospel the word of a country whose National Security Advisor is recorded on video footage attending a conference also attended by an Iranian opposition group and saying that “The declared policy of the United States should be the overthrow of the mullahs’ regime in Tehran...The behavior and the objectives of the regime are not going to change and, therefore, the only solution is to change the regime itself.”

 

That statement makes one even more sceptical about the  strength of the current "evidence" of an inconclusive grainy, black and white video. 

[TheHowieLama]

2 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Isn't anybody just a little bit sceptical to take as gospel the word of a country whose National Security Advisor is recorded on video footage attending a conference also attended by an Iranian opposition group and saying that “The declared policy of the United States should be the overthrow of the mullahs’ regime in Tehran...The behavior and the objectives of the regime are not going to change and, therefore, the only solution is to change the regime itself.”

 

That statement makes one even more sceptical about the  strength of the current "evidence" of an inconclusive grainy, black and white video. 

Check the war thread

[Rico1304]

51 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

And Rico wants to start lobbing bombs on it, because Mike Pompeo said so.

What? When did I say that. I’ve got mates who’ll be sent there if it kicks off so don’t start with that bollocks. 

[Rico1304]

Why would you trust Iran over America?  These fuckers are hanging gays from cranes. 

[aRdja]

19 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Why would you trust Iran over America?  These fuckers are hanging gays from cranes. 

Frankly because the US (and the UK) have form in these sorts of things. Which wars did Iran start?

[Rico1304]

28 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Frankly because the US (and the UK) have form in these sorts of things. Which wars did Iran start?

Mmm, now lets see.  There may have been one in the 80’s.  No idea what they called it. 

 

Heres another one. Where would you rather live?  Iran, the entirely fucking theocratic country that’s amongst the least free countries in the world...or the place that produces Ru Paul’s Drag Race. 

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

53 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Why would you trust Iran over America?  These fuckers are hanging gays from cranes. 

There’s no need to trust either of them. That said, US foreign interference is a fuck load more than Iran. 

[Megadrive Man]

2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Where would you rather live?  Iran, the entirely fucking theocratic country that’s amongst the least free countries in the world...or the place that produces Ru Paul’s Drag Race. 

 

 

When you put it like that...

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Iran were bastards in the 1980s. Causing wars by letting Iraq invade them. The fuckers! 

[moof]

7 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Mmm, now lets see.  There may have been one in the 80’s.  No idea what they called it. 

 

Heres another one. Where would you rather live?  Iran, the entirely fucking theocratic country that’s amongst the least free countries in the world...or the place that produces Ru Paul’s Drag Race. 

 

 

You’re doing a brilliant job here at proving you’re not a moron, keep it up bud 

[Creator Supreme]

13 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Where would you rather live?  Iran, the entirely fucking theocratic country that’s amongst the least free countries in the world...or the place that produces Ru Paul’s Drag Race. 

 

 

Neither to be honest!

[aRdja]

38 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Mmm, now lets see.  There may have been one in the 80’s.  No idea what they called it. 

 

Heres another one. Where would you rather live?  Iran, the entirely fucking theocratic country that’s amongst the least free countries in the world...or the place that produces Ru Paul’s Drag Race. 

 

I’m not entirely sure if you’re being serious or taking the piss here Rico.

[aRdja]

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[polymerpunkah]

This is as much SA vs Iran as USA vs Iran.

 

Here's an example of how they might treat RuPaul:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/transgender-pakistani-saudi-arabia-tortured-death-amna-meeno-11-custody-lgbt-rights-human-a7607446.html

 

And given the evidence of recent history, Trump would let them.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

12 minutes ago, polymerpunkah said:

This is as much SA vs Iran as USA vs Iran.

 

Here's an example of how they might treat RuPaul:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/transgender-pakistani-saudi-arabia-tortured-death-amna-meeno-11-custody-lgbt-rights-human-a7607446.html

 

And given the evidence of recent history, Trump would let them.

Correct. They've asked tonight for a "rapid and decisive response."

 

The US are trying to "build international consensus."

 

It's not quite there yet, but that's starting to sound a bit like George Dubya's "coalition of the willing" rhetoric pre the Iraq war. 

 

On the Corbyn Press TV in the pockets of Iran stuff, that seems to be the angle for those using this ongoing global issue for domestic politicking purposes. But, linking to Saudi Arabia, who you correctly imply would be happy for it all to kick off with Iran, we still have virtual silence on the numerous politicians who have had hundreds of thousands pounds of gifts and perks lavished on them from those in power in Riyadh and no cheap claims of these politicians being in Saudi pockets. 

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

UK’s 

@jeremycorbyn

 joins chorus calling for “credible evidence” of US #Iran claims.

 

Germany: “This video is not enough” 

@HeikoMaas

 

 

UN: “Facts must be established” 

@antonioguterres

 

 

EU: “Before we blame someone, we need credible evidence” 

@NathalieTocci

[Strontium]

29 minutes ago, polymerpunkah said:

Here's an example of how they might treat RuPaul:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/transgender-pakistani-saudi-arabia-tortured-death-amna-meeno-11-custody-lgbt-rights-human-a7607446.html

 

Meanwhile, Tel Aviv Pride is currently hosting quarter of a million people.

 

Boy, I'm sure glad I know who the bad guys are, else I might be confused by stuff like that.

[aRdja]

9 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

UK’s 

@jeremycorbyn

 joins chorus calling for “credible evidence” of US #Iran claims.

 

Germany: “This video is not enough” 

@HeikoMaas

 

 

UN: “Facts must be established” 

@antonioguterres

 

 

EU: “Before we blame someone, we need credible evidence” 

@NathalieTocci

It’s almost like the Iraq debacle never happened in the minds  a lot of people. Half a million deaths... meh...

[Strontium]

3 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

It’s almost like the Iraq debacle never happened to a lot of people. 

 

It's almost like a lot of people judge cases on their individual merits instead of writing them all off because we were lied to once.

[TheHowieLama]

2 hours ago, viRdjil said:

Frankly because the US (and the UK) have form in these sorts of things. Which wars did Iran start?

You could argue that maybe the "formal" Iran-Iraq war started when Iraq forces invaded, the mass attacks and escalation from the Iranian side in the years leading up to it were the cause. Of course there are numerous instances of them using mines to down tankers during that conflict. They denied those at the time as well until they were caught red handed.

One of the very few conflicts where the US and the Soviet Union sided together.

[aRdja]

7 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

It's almost like a lot of people judge cases on their individual merits instead of writing them all off because we were lied to once.

I’ve read enough Chomsky and watched enough Pilger unfortunately, to understand that to think that we’ve been lied to only once is extremely naive.

[TheHowieLama]

@viRdjil

I didn't see that you had made light of Rico's response.

 

If you think Boltons comments on regime change are war mongering you definitely need to revisit Khomeinis rhetoric (and actions - especially the idea of martydom which is the foundation of Islamic terrorism) in the late 70's. Today pales in comparison. 

Iran was gagging for war - he himself has said as much.

They probably would have been the outright aggressors too if he wasn't busy executing his own army at the time.

[moof]

39 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

Meanwhile, Tel Aviv Pride is currently hosting quarter of a million people.

 

Boy, I'm sure glad I know who the bad guys are, else I might be confused by stuff like that.

You’re the exact type of gullible idiot they are trying to dupe with that pinkwashing exercise. 

[TheHowieLama]

50 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

UK’s 

@jeremycorbyn

 joins chorus calling for “credible evidence” of US #Iran claims.

 

Germany: “This video is not enough” 

@HeikoMaas

 

 

UN: “Facts must be established” 

@antonioguterres

 

 

EU: “Before we blame someone, we need credible evidence” 

@NathalieTocci

 

It would be nice to have irrefutable proof. It does seem strange that no other theory for that boats particular action has not been put forward. Would seem to be pretty easy to do that.