Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Rico1304]

7 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Like Hodgson's 35 years of management. 

 

They hold their seats because people voted Labour.  Those seats are not rightfully theirs. Those voters deserve a chance to elect a Labour MP.

What a load of bollocks.  Further back in this thread you said the constituents were the most important thing.  

 

Ann Coffey has been an MP for 28 years, she’s a great local MP not really known outside here but done some great work protecting vulnerable children and victims of trafficking.  She’s 73 years old, she’s hardly doing this for publicity or her next job but you dismiss her as a squatter.  She’s done more than you could ever hope to do for Labour and seen what 6 leaders come and go but now she’s against your cult leader she should be out.  Not a cult? Fucking hilarious. 

[Section_31]

Imagine being called a decent Labour MP by the Mail? Ouch.

 

As for him being down the allotment. I for one am outraged by this outrageous behaviour. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

9 hours ago, Captain Howdy said:

 

Could the answer be that he’s a bit shit and people don’t want him?

I think that’s part of the reason, but so many people here vote against their own interests. There’s a lot of people who buy into what the major papers tell them. 

[Creator Supreme]

41 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Bear in mind they called Ed Miliband 'red ed'. He was about as radical as an egg and cress sandwich.

And remember the shit he was subjected to? Fucking hell the stuff they said about his old man was beyond the pale, the MSM didn't seem to mind a bit of anti-Semitism back then if I remember correctly!

[Creator Supreme]

4 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Imagine being called a decent Labour MP by the Mail? Ouch.

 

As for him being down the allotment. I for one am outraged by this outrageous behaviour. 

Yeah the cunt, growing his own fruit and veg, how dare he deny the shareholders of Tesco and Sainsbury a bit of extra profit, fucking communist!

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 hours ago, MegadriveMan said:

To the Labour supporters in here, who do you actually want as party leader?

 

I am a Corbyn supporter, but I don't honestly ever see him becoming prime minister. I actually think he has grown in to the role of leader, I just think that his history and his political beliefs will always stop a big percentage of people voting for him. 

 

The problem is, they will lose a huge amount of support they gained at the last election, unless Corbyn willingly steps down and endorses a new leader. 

His history and his political beliefs are what reversed decades of decline in Labour’s membership and GE vote share. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

7 hours ago, Jose Jones said:

 

I don't think that's entirely true.  There's always a smear campaign.

 

There wouldn't be the same amount of internal politicking against him though if Corbyn was more centrist, I agree there.

The problem isn't Corbyn; it's those in the PLP politicking against him. Corbyn represents the Party membership and his politics reflect the policies chosen democratically at Conference; policies which proved extremely popular in the last GE.

 

The Blairites who were parachuted in (including some of the 9 now "independent" squatters) and who continue to work againt the democratically elected leader of the party represent neither their constituents nor the party members. 

 

We need the members of each CLP to be able to choose their candidates. 

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

6 hours ago, Jose Jones said:

 

You also, Boss, seem to be doing that weird thing again, where you think that a political party should not be made up of members.

 

He's not a fan of democracy. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

This is always worth revisiting whenever anybody bangs on about Corbyn's "hard left" policies being unpopular.

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 hours ago, Jose Jones said:

I am sure AoT will be along sometime in the morning to correct you on the notion that Labour members want a hard left socialist party. 

However I also think that's wrong - there's very little disagreement within Labour on the policies that Labour took to the last election.  When these were presented to the public they proved popular, and the Tories even nicked some of them.  

 

The problem is, of course, that the current Labour leadership has in the past taken up some more dubious ideas and had links with people easily categorised as hard left socialists.  So they are both easily smeared generally, plus having been party antagonists in the past, they don't have the political capital internally to get the rest of the party's MPs to support them.

 

Saved me a job, there. Thanks, JJ.

[Numero Veinticinco]

5 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

This is always worth revisiting whenever anybody bangs on about Corbyn's "hard left" policies being unpopular.

Not many people saying that here, to be fair.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Sugar Ape said:

 

Was that report about Labour voters or members? Only asking because most people who say it seem to be saying there is an antisemitism problem with Labour members, but most reports I’ve seen talk about Labour voters in general and not the membership in particular which are two completely different things.

If I remember correctly, it was about members. 

 

There were some interesting YouGov polls of voters, which showed that Labour voters were less likely to believe anti-Semitic tropes than almost any other party (second only to Lib Dems); and that the proportion of Labour voters believing anti-Semitic tropes had decreased since Corbyn became leader.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

What a load of bollocks.  Further back in this thread you said the constituents were the most important thing.  

 

Ann Coffey has been an MP for 28 years, she’s a great local MP not really known outside here but done some great work protecting vulnerable children and victims of trafficking.  She’s 73 years old, she’s hardly doing this for publicity or her next job but you dismiss her as a squatter.  She’s done more than you could ever hope to do for Labour and seen what 6 leaders come and go but now she’s against your cult leader she should be out.  Not a cult? Fucking hilarious. 

I never said she "should be out". She walked.

 

Voters put their cross alongside two boxes: one with a person's name; one with a party name. Do you know which one of those they're voting for? Me neither.  The people of these 9 constituencies should now have the opportunity to clarify that: if Coffey's constituents want her, they'll vote for her. (I've already mentioned that losing one seat wouldn’t be such a bad thing for Labour.) If any of the Shithouse Seven or Field or Woodcock could muster as much integrity as Douglas fucking Carswell, we'd have 9 by-elections to find out what the constituents want. I'll bet my arse that Labour would win at least 8.

 

It's called democracy, you helmet. Democracy is not a cult.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

Imagine being called a decent Labour MP by the Mail? Ouch.

 

As for him being down the allotment. I for one am outraged by this outrageous behaviour. 

What a cunt: reacting to this "historic schism" by going to his allotment a day earlier. 

[moof]

They were elected because of labour. Let Ann Coffey stand as an independent in a by-election and see how far she gets. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

Imagine being called a decent Labour MP by the Mail? Ouch.

 

Imagine being called "a great local MP" by Rico.

[Brownie]

7 hours ago, Jose Jones said:

 

Well, I'm not sure there really are that many polar opposite views on key policies are there? 

Apart from Brexit... 

Trident?

[Rico1304]

7 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Imagine being called "a great local MP" by Rico.

You complete cunt.  You’d never heard of her until yesterday.  She’s done loads of work for victims of sexual abuse and trafficking - forget all that. She disagrees with the Lord on his complete fucking absence on Brexit.  So she left the party. 

 

The other AoT on the Brexit thread calls Leavers stupid and racists.  Cognitive dissonance.  

[Rico1304]

I’m also looking forward to closing the Brexit thread because is democracy you helmet. 

[Section_31]

Are people still debating with Rico on this? Why don't you run a cheese grater over your perineum instead?

[A Red]

38 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I never said she "should be out". She walked.

 

Voters put their cross alongside two boxes: one with a person's name; one with a party name. Do you know which one of those they're voting for? Me neither.  The people of these 9 constituencies should now have the opportunity to clarify that: if Coffey's constituents want her, they'll vote for her. (I've already mentioned that losing one seat wouldn’t be such a bad thing for Labour.) If any of the Shithouse Seven or Field or Woodcock could muster as much integrity as Douglas fucking Carswell, we'd have 9 by-elections to find out what the constituents want. I'll bet my arse that Labour would win at least 8.

 

It's called democracy, you helmet. Democracy is not a cult.

They wont stand for re-election because they will probably lose. There is nothing in the law that says they have to stand because none of the parties, including Labour, want that to be the case

 

Corbyn supporters will of course say that for clarification as you say, or morally as others have said, that they should stand for re-election because they know full well Labour will win the seats.  Like you, i'm sure that Labour would happily put up with perhaps losing one for the message it gives. If these were all marginal seats there wouldnt a mention of morals , clarification, Douglas fucking Carswell nor a wish for by-elections. 

 

The tories would be exactly the same.

[Numero Veinticinco]

16 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Are people still debating with Rico on this? Why don't you run a cheese grater over your perineum instead?

Don't you fucking dare suggest I can't do both at once. 

[Vincent Vega]

All seven of them know they would have no chance of winning a by-election without the Labour ticket. This is just a blatant play to try and bring about the end of Corbyn as leader. Despite Umunna stating that politics is broken, he would be rejoin the Labour party in an instant if Corbyn was to step down as leader and he thought there was a sniff of a front bench post for himself.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

31 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

You complete cunt.  You’d never heard of her until yesterday.  She’s done loads of work for victims of sexual abuse and trafficking - forget all that. She disagrees with the Lord on his complete fucking absence on Brexit.  So she left the party. 

 

The other AoT on the Brexit thread calls Leavers stupid and racists.  Cognitive dissonance.  

Hahahaha.

 

I was just yanking your lariat. Cool your jets. Like I said, if she's so superawesome, let her constituents vote for her. What have you got against democracy?

 

Also, considering the amount of time I spend on the Brexit thread, it's surprising I've never seen anything by this AoT who calls leave voters stupid and racist. (Admit it, you haven't either.)

[AngryOfTuebrook]

35 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I’m also looking forward to closing the Brexit thread because is democracy you helmet. 

Do you think the Referendum was comparable to a General Election?

 

I suppose there's one similarity: in the Referendum, it's unclear what aspects of EU Membership people were voting for or against, just as in a General Election it's unclear whether people are voting for the party or the individual candidate. The people of those 9 constituencies deserve the chance to clarify that point.

 

(Jeez, you're grouchy in the mornings.  Go and have a brew and a wank.)