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Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?


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And as for Churchill, outside of the years 1939 to 1945 he was a cunt, an horrendous nasty cunt, good on John McDonnell and Owen Jones and Mark Steel for calling him out!

 

He was probably still a cunt during world war 2, Stalin definitely was, Roosevelt I'm not so sure! But those were the years we were fighting against bigger cunts, so they had their uses then.

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Just now, Strontium Dog said:

 

Apart from supporting them for the first third of the war, which included literally supplying the fuel which powered the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain.

The Russian role in defeating Hitler is always underestimated. They lost far more people than the likes of the UK. 

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Found out last night which part of town I’ll be ‘standing’ in for the council elections. It’s absolutely tiny. I think I’ve got the High Street and a few streets close by that have historically been full of Tory voters. 

 

My mate had a flat there until he moved about two weeks ago so now I can’t even be sure of a single vote. One vote and I’ll be happy. 

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3 hours ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

Apart from supporting them for the first third of the war, which included supplying the fuel which powered the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain.

Yep.

 

Britain was the only country who went to war against the axis before it was actually attacked. The USA was a big support in terms of material and never entered until it was attacked at Pearl Harbour, and may not even have entered the war against the Germans had not Hitler - strangely - declared war on them.

 

The constant talk about what the Russians did in the war I've always found a bit bizarre to be honest. They invaded Poland from the East in concert with the Nazis and were quite happy to see western Europe demolished until, stupidly, despite repeated intelligence warnings from us and clues so big a blind PCSO could spot them, they got caught with their trousers down by the Germans and got utterly smashed, only being defeated by the winter and Hitler's hubris. Part of the reason they lost so many troops is because their only military tactic was to scoop up thousands of young conscripts from Belarus and throw them, en mass and at gunpoint, at a superior enemy. 

 

Throughout this time, the British continued to send supplies to them at the begging behest of Stalin via the Arctic conveys throughout which countless British sailors froze to death under U-Boat and air attack.

 

As the Russians advanced through the East, the Polish resistance started the Warsaw uprising reasoning that the Russians would help, Stalin ordered them to halt the advance, as he reasoned he didn't want these upstarts around to kick off at his own troops once they occupied the place, and they were wiped out. 

 

With their virtually unlimited supply of manpower they wore the Germans down and, as they were fighting on the Western front againt us and the Allies, the Germans collapsed under sheer weight of numbers. 

 

The Russians then took their spoils and divvied the place up, and were certainly no friend to us ever since (and vice versa I admit). 

 

Piling any credit on them though is quite bizarre. It's like two fellas starting on you in the pub, then one starts hitting the other - who you help - and then people expect you to give him credit to you for helping you in the fight. Bollocks to that. 

 

It should be noted too that at the Yalta conference, Stalin suggested executing 25,000 German prisoners and Churchill was outraged by the mere suggestion, with Roosevelt reportedly having to step in and call for calm. 

 

And as fur Chuchill, you could write a thesis on the rights and wrongs of the man, but the fact remains he's the single greatest and most important leader this country has ever had, possibly the western world has ever had, in the context of what we had to lose had he not stood tall when he did. I've got no problem with people criticizing other things he did, but for me that's what he is and should be remembered for above all else. 

 

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27 minutes ago, Mudface said:

Are you standing as a 'paper candidate'? I did that a few years ago and tripled the Labour vote in my ward, still nowhere near the Tory vote though, sadly.

 

Yeah, exactly that. I live in Matt Hancock’s constituency, the safest of Tory seats, and there’s so few ‘active’ Labour members in our branch that we simply haven’t got enough people to put a candidate forward in every ward in the locals. 

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Lest we forget.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-22073434/tony-blair-my-job-was-to-build-on-some-thatcher-policies?fbclid=IwAR2kVHgET5gu5HHOUCTBXxuSbaCzz8q9sjFeAXlJDiyL2AR9e7a1dSgSm8c

 

We've come a long way, Baby. (As someone pointed out recently, the Overtime window has shifted so much that Socialism is polling at 40% and everybody's bitching that it should be more.)

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1 hour ago, Captain Turdseye said:

Found out last night which part of town I’ll be ‘standing’ in for the council elections. It’s absolutely tiny. I think I’ve got the High Street and a few streets close by that have historically been full of Tory voters. 

 

My mate had a flat there until he moved about two weeks ago so now I can’t even be sure of a single vote. One vote and I’ll be happy. 

 

Just needs the right sort of canvassing. TLW will come and help, mate.

 

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57 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

The constant talk about what the Russians did in the war I've always found a bit bizarre to be honest. They invaded Poland from the East in concert with the Nazis and were quite happy to see western Europe demolished until, stupidly, despite repeated intelligence warnings from us and clues so big a blind PCSO could spot them, they got caught with their trousers down by the Germans and got utterly smashed, only being defeated by the winter and Hitler's hubris. Part of the reason they lost so many troops is because their only military tactic was to scoop up thousands of young conscripts from Belarus and throw them, en mass and at gunpoint, at a superior enemy. 

 

Throughout this time, the British continued to send supplies to them at the begging behest of Stalin via the Arctic conveys throughout which countless British sailors froze to death under U-Boat and air attack.

 

As the Russians advanced through the East, the Polish resistance started the Warsaw uprising reasoning that the Russians would help, Stalin ordered them to halt the advance, as he reasoned he didn't want these upstarts around to kick off at his own troops once they occupied the place, and they were wiped out. 

 

With their virtually unlimited supply of manpower they wore the Germans down and, as they were fighting on the Western front againt us and the Allies, the Germans collapsed under sheer weight of numbers. 

 

The Russians then took their spoils and divvied the place up, and were certainly no friend to us ever since (and vice versa I admit).

 

I read all of that in the voice of Damien the schoolboy in Omen 2. 

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Churchill was a cunt. 

Nothing he did in WWII would change my view of him. If he wasn't around someone else would have stood up and fought against the wrongs of the Third Reich. A man that was so great he got unceremoniously dumped on his arse by the electorate after the war. A prized prick.  

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The man who ate his book puts it more eloquently than I could about where there is greater demand for a new party. I think he's right but they are slightly more protectionist. I think people could be won by Labour about non-violent crime being treated as an act to be cured rather than punished eventually but for now many people measure justice in retribution. So they are stuck in defending the status quo on crime and drugs etc. 

 

 

 

 

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37 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

Churchill was a cunt. 

Nothing he did in WWII would change my view of him. If he wasn't around someone else would have stood up and fought against the wrongs of the Third Reich. A man that was so great he got unceremoniously dumped on his arse by the electorate after the war. A prized prick.  

Except they didn't, that's kind of the point.

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What this whole debate about Churchill has shown is that (once again) everything has to be black and white, good or bad, us or them, with nothing in between.

The polar views that Churchill is either the greatest Briton ever or is a murdering cunt of the highest order are not mutually exclusive. He was both.

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