Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Creator Supreme]

10 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

It's blatantly obvious to anyone with a clue that the CLP and Momentum are trying to push out the moderate voices in the party to make way for far left socialist MP's. The no confidence vote proves it. They were trying to pull a fast one, and it caused such a stink they had to climb down. 

And Blair never did that did he? How did Berger, Ellman and also his own son almost get selected to stand? Parachutes anyone?

[Boss]

Just now, Nelly-Torres said:

Can you back up this claim with examples, other than Berger and a couple of others? Or deal with the absence of any real attempt to oust Hodge, Ellman, John Mann, Owen Smith etc. 

 

I'll wait... 

Owen Smith is considering quitting the party because of the direction it's going, and was sacked as Shadow Secretary of Northern Ireland. Hodge has repeatedly complained about the anti semitic bullying she's receiving from the members. Mann has said the same, ie constant bullying from Momentum and the membership. Even within the small sample size you've highlighted there are glaring examples therein.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

5 minutes ago, Boss said:

Owen Smith is considering quitting the party because of the direction it's going, and was sacked as Shadow Secretary of Northern Ireland. Hodge has repeatedly complained about the anti semitic bullying she's receiving from the members. Mann has said the same, ie constant bullying from Momentum and the membership. Even within the small sample size you've highlighted there are glaring examples therein.

Politicians getting abuse. On social media. Oh, the humanity! 

 

Hodge passed a dossier of ALLEGED antisemitic abuse to the Labour NEC. It was investigated and they couldn't do anything about it as most of the people she reported are not Labour Party members. 

 

Smith isn't being pushed out of the party. He's leaving of his own volition as he's sulking because he can't get his own way. As for his sacking from the shadow cabinet, absolutely fuck all to do with a purge. It's nothing unique to Labour. It's simply the application of the age old doctrine of shadow cabinet collective responsibility. 

[Boss]

12 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Politicians getting abuse. On social media. Oh, the humanity! 

 

Hodge passed a dossier of ALLEGED antisemitic abuse to the Labour NEC. It was investigated and they couldn't do anything about it as most of the people she reported are not Labour Party members. 

 

Smith isn't being pushed out of the party. He's leaving of his own volition as he's sulking because he can't get his own way. As for his sacking from the shadow cabinet, absolutely fuck all to do with a purge. It's nothing unique to Labour. It's simply the application of the age old doctrine of shadow cabinet collective responsibility. 

 

You can't dispute the point I made about Momentum making a concerted effort to push moderate voices out of the party, because you know it's true, so you'd rather belittle the impact of it ("Oh, the humanity") than argue the grounds of it's existence. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Just now, Boss said:

 

You can't dispute the point I made about Momentum making a concerted effort to push moderate voices out of the party, because you know it's true, so you'd rather belittle the impact of it ("Oh, the humanity") than argue the grounds of it's existence. 

#NotACull

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Boss said:

 

Putting the Labour party in the hands of the members was the dumbest thing the Labour party ever did. The members - through their own hubris and delusions about what the party should represent - have cast the party into permanent obscurity. The culling of moderate voices to make way for Corbyn sycophants will not only lead the party further into the abyss. 

Democracy is bad?

 

Also, no moderate voices are being culled. Not one.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Except, that's not happening. 

 

Berger had her no confidence vote withdrawn. Hodge is still in her seat. As are Streeting, Mann, Ellman, Gapes, Chris Leslie, Owen Smith, Jess Phillips, Hillary Benn. 

 

Plus, ahead in some polls and tied/close in others hardly equals obscurity. 

 

Nothing but bluster. 

Those names are the people who actively work against the party.  Most moderate MPs just do their job.  That's why their jobs are perfectly safe.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

44 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

You can't dispute the point I made about Momentum making a concerted effort to push moderate voices out of the party, because you know it's true, so you'd rather belittle the impact of it ("Oh, the humanity") than argue the grounds of it's existence. 

It's demonstrably false.

[Boss]

1 minute ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

It's demonstrably false.

Would you like to see them replaced with pro-Corbyn MP's?

[Anubis]

Pro socialist MPs will do.

[Denny Crane]

According to this an email to MPs by Formby has suggested that 90% of the cases forwarded by the Hodge had no link to the Labour party. 

 

Formby’s email reveals that of the two hundred cases ‘put in’ by Margaret Hodge, only twenty instances concerned Labour members – the rest of Ms Hodge’s examples concerned people who had no link to the Labour Party.

Twenty is far too many and abuse directed toward Ms Hodge and any of her colleagues is deplorable. But a 90% error rate in attribution of such abuse to Labour members is huge. 

 

https://skwawkbox.org/2019/02/12/excl-hodges-200-labour-complaints-90-were-not-labour-members/

[AngryOfTuebrook]

7 minutes ago, Boss said:

Would you like to see them replaced with pro-Corbyn MP's?

I'd like to see the half-dozen or so named above replaced by pro-Labour MPs.

 

Moderates like Stephen Twigg, Jon Cruddas, etc. are fine. The party needs a diverse set of centre-left to left-wing voices, from a variety of backgrounds.  Above all, it needs the local members (one member, one vote) to decide who would be the best candidate for their constituency. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

7 minutes ago, Denny Crane said:

According to this an email to MPs by Formby has suggested that 90% of the cases forwarded by the Hodge had no link to the Labour party. 

 

Formby’s email reveals that of the two hundred cases ‘put in’ by Margaret Hodge, only twenty instances concerned Labour members – the rest of Ms Hodge’s examples concerned people who had no link to the Labour Party.

Twenty is far too many and abuse directed toward Ms Hodge and any of her colleagues is deplorable. But a 90% error rate in attribution of such abuse to Labour members is huge. 

 

https://skwawkbox.org/2019/02/12/excl-hodges-200-labour-complaints-90-were-not-labour-members/

 

[Captain Turdseye]

2 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I'd like to see the half-dozen or so named above replaced by pro-Labour MPs.

 

Moderates like Stephen Twigg, Jon Cruddas, etc. are fine. The party needs a diverse set of centre-left to left-wing voices, from a variety of backgrounds.  Above all, it needs the local members (one member, one vote) to decide who would be the best candidate for their constituency. 

 

You mental bastard. 

[Denny Crane]

15 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

 

 

So it was 111 not 200 that Hodge submitted around 78% were not members. 

[Boss]

15 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I'd like to see the half-dozen or so named above replaced by pro-Labour MPs.

 

Moderates like Stephen Twigg, Jon Cruddas, etc. are fine. The party needs a diverse set of centre-left to left-wing voices, from a variety of backgrounds.  Above all, it needs the local members (one member, one vote) to decide who would be the best candidate for their constituency. 

 

Are you a member of Momentum? 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

16 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

Are you a member of Momentum? 

No. But I do follow them closely, I've attended a few meetings and I took part in some of their GE 2017 campaigning  (for Centrist MPs, as it happens). So I know that their aims are closer to mine than this fictional "cull" you're talking about. 

[Boss]

3 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

No. But I do follow them closely, I've attended a few meetings and I took part in some of their GE 2017 campaigning  (for Centrist MPs, as it happens). So I know that their aims are closer to mine than this fictional "cull" you're talking about. 

So who do you want replaced specifically? Smith, Hodge, Berger, Mann, Benn and who else? 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 minute ago, Boss said:

So who do you want replaced specifically? Smith, Hodge, Berger, Mann, Benn and who else? 

I specifically want to leave that decision to the membership of the CLPs. They know best.

[Boss]

1 minute ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I specifically want to leave that decision to the membership of the CLPs. They know best.

But you want them replaced?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

6 minutes ago, Boss said:

But you want them replaced?

The middle three boil my piss. I'm indifferent to the first and last.

 

But, like I say, if their local CLPs want them as candidates, then I would phone-bank to get them elected. 

[Boss]

1 minute ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

The middle three boil my piss. I'm indifferent to the first and last.

 

But, like I say, if their local CLPs want them as candidates, then I would phone-bank to get them elected. 

But presumably you don't want Abbott replaced, even though she's a walking PR disaster. The people being squeezed are all conveniently centrist voices within the party. The goal - is it not - is to have a unified Socialist Party?

[Scooby Dudek]

17 minutes ago, Boss said:

But presumably you don't want Abbott replaced, even though she's a walking PR disaster. The people being squeezed are all conveniently centrist voices within the party. The goal - is it not - is to have a unified Socialist Party?

 

36 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I specifically want to leave that decision to the membership of the CLPs. They know best.

Not that AoT is unable to answer for himself, but I believe he had already answered the question before you asked it. 

 

 

 

 

The people being squeezed are all Labour voices speaking continually against the labour party, which it the reason their local CLP appear to have no confidence in them.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Shittest cull ever. 

[Scooby Dudek]

The irony being, confirming how out of touch they were, the PLP voted to increase the power of the membership to stop a left leaning candidate (Ed Miliband) ever being voted as leader due to the loony leftie trade unionists. 

Now they have managed to weaken their own position they are crying foul. They fully support democracy as long as it supports them.

 

 

If I had my way Stephen Kinnock would be shot out of a cannon, but obviously I will respect the decision of the CLP.