Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[SasaS]

Interesting article, thanks.

[Captain Turdseye]

There’s a lot of “ism’s” in that article, and it reads like the book is aimed at an audience that is opposed to the Corbyn project in the first place. 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

"The Corbyn Project" sounds like a Robert Ludlum novel.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Captain Turdseye said:

There’s a lot of “ism’s” in that article... 

Yeah, I got as far as Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism, Thisism, Thatism before I realised I wasn't understanding a word of the article, let alone the book itself. 

 

It may or may not be a good/useful/fair critique.  I may never know. 

[Dr Nowt]

The Guest there, mixing up his approach by calling someone thick as fuck.

[The Guest]

31 minutes ago, Dr Nowt said:

The Guest there, mixing up his approach by calling someone thick as fuck.

Give me a break I was running out of insults at the end.  It did the job anyway.

[Captain Turdseye]

1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Yeah, I got as far as Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism, Thisism, Thatism before I realised I wasn't understanding a word of the article, let alone the book itself. 

 

It may or may not be a good/useful/fair critique.  I may never know. 

 

Classic Strontium Dogism. 

[Jairzinho]

3 hours ago, Captain Turdseye said:

There’s a lot of “ism’s” in that article, and it reads like the book is aimed at an audience that is opposed to the Corbyn project in the first place. 

No idea if the book is or not. The article is.

[razor]

4 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Everyone's talkin bout Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism, Thisism, Thatism

 

All we are saying...

[Captain Howdy]

21 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

????

YouTube his hissy fit Orlando attack debate flounce

[AngryOfTuebrook]

45 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

YouTube his hissy fit Orlando attack debate flounce

Seriously? You're holding it against him that he walked out of a shitshow where a pair of cunts were pushing the "all lives matter" line, denying the homophobic nature of a homophobic terrorist attack?

 

He was absolutely right to walk out. The only thing he did wrong was not tell them to fuck off. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/13/sky-news-homophobia-orlando-sexuality

[SasaS]

As far as I recall this conversation, he was insisting on the attack on the LGBT community ignoring the fact that the attacker was acting from the position of Islamic extremism, which is not part of the homophobic ideological spectrum in the West. Had it been an attack from, lets say, Christian fundamentalist or some far right wing position then yes, but "the pair of cunts" were "pushing" the idea it was an attack on western liberal values and a gay club as part of those liberal values.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

22 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 the attacker was acting from the position of Islamic extremism, which is not part of the homophobic ideological spectrum in the West. 

What's that even supposed to mean?

 

Islamism and Islamic fundamentalism are deeply homophobic; surely, nobody denies that. This particular attacker had a history of pushing hatred against LGBT people and he specifically targeted a gay bar.

 

If a Nazi murdered worshippers at a synagogue, it would be absolutely wrong to characterise it as an attack on freedom of religion, rather than an attack on the Jewish community.  The same applies here.

[Captain Turdseye]

I didn’t even know he was gay. 

[SasaS]

33 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

What's that even supposed to mean?

 

Islamism and Islamic fundamentalism are deeply homophobic; surely, nobody denies that. This particular attacker had a history of pushing hatred against LGBT people and he specifically targeted a gay bar.

 

If a Nazi murdered worshippers at a synagogue, it would be absolutely wrong to characterise it as an attack on freedom of religion, rather than an attack on the Jewish community.  The same applies here.

 

I think they were both right in that conversation, you cannot simply overlook the fact that the attacker  targeted the gay community, but since he identified with ISIS or Al Qaeda (don't remember any longer which), his homophobia comes from a different position, the one which is no longer part of "our" conversation.  There have been many gay bars and clubs in the west for decades, ISIS throws gays from high buildings. They oppose all western values, gay rights included, and position themselves as an enemy, so you can see the position that gay club was targeted as part of those values. It's not the same kind of homophobia, I don't know how to explain it differently.

 

Jones uses an analogy with a synagogue in his column, but an attack on a synagogue which comes from Middle Eastern inspired terrorist is, for me, not a manifestation of the same kind of Anti-Semitism as would be an attack from some right wing group with Anti-Semitic views living in the same state and same culture with their victims. Attack from an Islamic extremist group may not reflect the dangerously changing views of the culture in which the victims live, because it essentially comes from outside, attack from some radical Anti-Semitic group which does not position themselves outside of that society might. The attack in Florida didn't represent homophobic shift in Florida or the US by the very fact the attacker positioned himself as being ideologically confronted with almost everything in that society.

 

Jones was obviously more upset and emotional then others in that conversation, which is understandable as he would feel that attack more personally, but I seem to recall they realized that and tried to calm him down. On the other hand he always looks to me like he is on the edge of his seat when someone contradicts him and a second away from pulling the mike away and storming out, as if he cannot believe someone can have a different opinion and be on the wrong side of history.  

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

https://electronicintifada.net/content/fake-labour-accounts-fueling-anti-semitism-crisis/26441

[Rico1304]

6 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

https://electronicintifada.net/content/fake-labour-accounts-fueling-anti-semitism-crisis/26441

Ha ha ha, we’re not anti-Semitic, it’s a stitch up by the fucking Jews! 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

5 minutes ago, rico1304 said:

Ha ha ha, we’re not anti-Semitic, it’s a stitch up by the fucking Jews! 

The link says nothing like that, you obtuse, thick stain on humanity. 

 

It does however give proven cases of fake accounts set up trying to stir shit. Your specialist subject, Pops...

[Rico1304]

5 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

The link says nothing like that, you obtuse, thick stain on humanity. 

 

It does however give proven cases of fake accounts set up trying to stir shit. Your specialist subject, Pops...

Ha ha ha gold.  Pure gold.  Worth paying my subs for.  You know, subs.  

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

1 minute ago, rico1304 said:

Ha ha ha gold.  Pure gold.  Worth paying my subs for.  You know, subs.  

You're almost 60. Stop being a pathetic troll. 

[Rico1304]

5 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

You're almost 60. Stop being a pathetic troll. 

(Safe space?)

[Section_31]

Tremendous craic 

[aRdja]

This paying for subs thing you constantly bring up is getting a bit tedious @rico1304. You don’t know their financial situations. Even Dave doesn’t seem to mind them contributing to the forum. I’m honestly happy to buy two subscriptions on top of my current one for you to stop this crusade.

[Rico1304]

3 minutes ago, aRdja said:

This paying for subs thing you constantly bring up is getting a bit tedious @rico1304. You don’t know their financial situations. Even Dave doesn’t seem to mind them contributing to the forum. I’m honestly happy to buy two subscriptions on top of my current one for you to stop this crusade.

Mmm, here’s me not giving a fuck what you want me to post.  

 

They can afford it or they are lying in other threads. You honestly think they can afford 80p a fucking week?  

[aRdja]

15 minutes ago, rico1304 said:

Mmm, here’s me not giving a fuck what you want me to post.  

 

They can afford it or they are lying in other threads. You honestly think they can afford 80p a fucking week?  

Would it stop the crusade if I buy two subs on top of mine and email you the receipt?