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Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

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He's insipid. Seems a really nice bloke, but he's playing a pool of sharks.

He's an Avram Grant.

 

I despise the likes of Mourinho - but that's what Boris is. He's a new generation machine, and a media man's dream. People vote for people and not policies. Of course I don't mean everybody does, but a hefty wedge of the populous does, hefty enough to win elections.

 

If Farage was Labour, they'd be in power.

With a set of right wing policies.

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It's not lazy at all, I went to see him in Bootle a few weeks ago, he speaks with passion and he's an intelligent and principled man. But he's clearly uninterested in getting to grips with the system in which he unfortunately has to function in order to get things done. He's a rebel, he's always been a rebel, good for him, but rebels can't lead.

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The media do NOT fear Corbyn!

He gives them nothing to print, simple as that.

 

The media fears anyone that challenges their cabal. Whilst I've no doubt they don't fear Corbyn personally, as he isn't a particularly powerful politician, they fear the change that he represents (or could represent).

 

 

The Guardian made a complete embarrassment of themselves during his leadership campaign, and since, precisely because of their fear that something other than neoliberalism was in the public conscious. 

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You'd expect him to do more than he has though wouldn't you?

 

If Labour were in power that would be nearly 20% of his term where he's been virtually inactive, sleep walking through the shit storm we're in.

 

Correct, you absolutely would.

In political terms, they referendum has been a prime opportunity to make political gain, and arguably, he's lost ground during it.

 

Love or hate the likes of Alistair Campbell, but they new how to exploit a situation.

 

A 'divided' Tory party, lining up with UKIP!, an inconsistent Cameron... all avenues they could have gone down.

 

There's a lot of merit in being dignified and not engaging in such dark arts, but then there's a lot of merit in fighting a well run losing campaign.

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He's a man of principle and a genuine socialist, and god knows we need more like him, not less.

 

I don't disagree, but you have to be in power to be most effective. The world is awash with powerless principled men.

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Do people think he wants to be leader or he's found himself in this position and feels he can't quit on principle?

 

Certainly the former. In fact, didn't he say it was essentially "his turn" amongst the half dozen socialists that hadn't been gutted by Blair. Not sure about the latter, I think he'd probably quit if he thought he'd be replaced by someone on the left.

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He is obviously a man of principle, but his time as leader has been somewhat lacklustre. He had one job, to keep Britain in the EU, and that failure will probably be the straw that breaks the camel's back for his critics in the party. He never looked like his heart was in it, and asked to rate his enthusiasm for the EU, he gave it 7 and a half out of 10. I mean, really. Is it any surprise that such leadership failed to carry a majority of natural Labour voters? Would anyone be inspired by this?

Not true.

 

As for "seven and a half out of ten" are we expected to believe people would have voted Remain if he'd said "It's perfect in every way and I wouldn't change a single thing about it"?  He told the truth; are we going to start castigating politicians for that now?

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Certainly the former. In fact, didn't he say it was essentially "his turn" amongst the half dozen socialists that hadn't been gutted by Blair. Not sure about the latter, I think he'd probably quit if he thought he'd be replaced by someone on the left.

 

I hope it's the former but he's acting like it's the latter.

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Not true.

 

As for "seven and a half out of ten" are we expected to believe people would have voted Remain if he'd said "It's perfect in every way and I wouldn't change a single thing about it"? He told the truth; are we going to start castigating politicians for that now?

I don't know one Remain voter who was fully satisfied with the EU. So in that sense you could argue that he's fully representative. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.

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Not true.

 

As for "seven and a half out of ten" are we expected to believe people would have voted Remain if he'd said "It's perfect in every way and I wouldn't change a single thing about it"?  He told the truth; are we going to start castigating politicians for that now?

 

He didn't have to say it was perfect in every way he just had to show a bit of fight.

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You're obviously working your way through the thread AOT so I'll lay out why I think it's a waste of mine and your time debating it with you.

 

You're a true believer. Every bit as much so as people accuse SD of being during the Lib Dem coalition. I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to admit anything is the fault of Corbyn in the slightest.

 

I'll be the first to admit he's been dealt a really shitty hand with the media pretty much ignoring him and his own MPs openly revolting against him. However, I think they are insurmountable obstacles for a politician of his limited ability unfortunately. If he stays on as leader and ends up winning an election then no one would be happier than me. I think I've got a better chance of rimming Shakira than that happening though.

 

Pretty much said all I've got to say at this stage so I'll just read the rest of the debate with interest.

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How?

 

He's a politician, nobodies expecting him to turn water into wine but a couple of barn storming speeches would generally be enough to start to change peoples perceptions.

 

It's completely shallow but then politics at that level is all about perception (you only have to look at Ruth Davidson to see that)

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How?

 

By getting in people's faces in front of a camera saying 'I'm IN and here is why...' making it look like he had a passionate belief.

He said we was 'In' and he did explain why, but it has to be in people's faces... he's a party leader now, and that means PR, PR and more PR.

 

When Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson, and even Michael fucking Gove are milking the media ahead of the Labour party, you're in trouble. The Labour party is in trouble.

 

I loathe having to say 'you have to be a media darling / twat' - but you do.

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He's a politician, nobodies expecting him to turn water into wine but a couple of barn storming speeches would generally be enough to start to change peoples perceptions.

 

It's completely shallow but then politics at that level is all about perception (you only have to look at Ruth Davidson to see that)

We've already established that he doesn't have that. You can't expect something from someone who is incapable of delivering it.

 

Which brings us back to the question of who on the left can?

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By getting in people's faces in front of a camera saying 'I'm IN and here is why...' making it look like he had a passionate belief.

He said we was 'In' and he did explain why, but it has to be in people's faces... he's a party leader now, and that means PR, PR and more PR.

 

When Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson, and even Michael fucking Gove are milking the media ahead of the Labour party, you're in trouble. The Labour party is in trouble.

 

I loathe having to say 'you have to be a media darling / twat' - but you do.

See my response to Cardie.

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