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May his battling her own back benchers to reverse the Lords amendments this week. Sensible amendments that will ease the anxiety of EU nationals resident in the UK and give Parliament a meaningful say in what sort of deal the Tories carve out .  This is the most serious and crucial issue facing our country since the war and the Labour leader is nowhere to be seen . 

 

What are you talking about. Labour are putting forward amendments in the debate today. 

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When the Tories were vulnerable post-Brexit, the anti-Labour members of the Labour PLP decided to swoop in and save them.

 

It's nothing to do with a "cult of personality"; your endless repetition of that nonsense won't make it true. For one thing, you need a personality before you can have a cult. Most of the Corbyn supporters I've ever met are people who want an effective Labour Opposition - leading to a Labour Government - delivering Labour policies. Generally, they are people who are sick of three decades or more of media/PR-driven personality politics and want politics that works for people. It's pretty much the opposite of a personality cult.

 

The issue of media influence is more than just "valid" - it's crucial. In 1992, when Neil Kinnock's Labour Party suffered a defeat that had previously looked unlikely, the rag trumpeted "It's The S*n What Won it!" It's debatable how much truth there was in that claim; the important point is that all Labour and Tory leaders alike believed it and they have fought all elections since then by trying to court Murdoch, even (in the case of Labour) to the detriment of their own natural supporters.

 

Once Ed Milliband gave Labour members the choice of Leader, it became undeniably obvious that working for the wider population and serving Murdoch are incompatible: Corbyn won precisely because people were attracted to a set of policies and principles that are at odds with the Murdoch-driven, pro-austerity, divisive, cynical and greedy politics we've been stuck with for the last 38 years.

 

The task of gaining power by working around the Murdoch/Desmond/Rothermere media was always going to be difficult, but just about possible, if all of the Party was working together, on social media, in local meetings, on protest marches, door-to-door, etc. It would only have been possible with unity, but from the day Corbyn was first elected senior figures in the Parliamentary Party decided that they would rather spend more years in supine opposition than make a concerted and democratic bid to do some good for the Labour movement and the wider population of the UK. I think I despise them worse than Tories.

Excellent and concise post Mal.

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Here we go again - it's another "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" referendum for Corbyn.

 

I can't say that his initial response suggests that Labour have learned much about what happened in Scotland.  By and large, it reads like something that would sit well with the Tory anti-independence campaign.  If Labour are to have any hope in Scotland, their message has to be pro-working class and anti-austerity.  This doesn't address any of the day-to-day issues that are hurting people in Scotland (and my guess is that  it's Labour's continuing failure to do that which is keeping the SNP in such an unchallenged position of power).

 

This is a missed opportunity.

 

 

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The 2014 Scottish Independence referendum was billed as a once in a generation event. The result was decisive and there is no appetite for another referendum.

Labour believes it would be wrong to hold another so soon and Scottish Labour will oppose it in the Scottish parliament.

If, however, the Scottish parliament votes for one, Labour will not block that democratic decision at Westminster.

If there is another referendum, Labour will oppose independence because it is not in the interests of any part of the country to break up the UK.

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Here we go again - it's another "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" referendum for Corbyn.

 

I can't say that his initial response suggests that Labour have learned much about what happened in Scotland.  By and large, it reads like something that would sit well with the Tory anti-independence campaign.  If Labour are to have any hope in Scotland, their message has to be pro-working class and anti-austerity.  This doesn't address any of the day-to-day issues that are hurting people in Scotland (and my guess is that  it's Labour's continuing failure to do that which is keeping the SNP in such an unchallenged position of power).

 

This is a missed opportunity.

 

 

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The 2014 Scottish Independence referendum was billed as a once in a generation event. The result was decisive and there is no appetite for another referendum.

Labour believes it would be wrong to hold another so soon and Scottish Labour will oppose it in the Scottish parliament.

If, however, the Scottish parliament votes for one, Labour will not block that democratic decision at Westminster.

If there is another referendum, Labour will oppose independence because it is not in the interests of any part of the country to break up the UK.

 

 

Brexit is what is top of the list for most Scots and without a clear anti hard Brexit message how can hope to persuade them on Independence?  

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What are you talking about. Labour are putting forward amendments in the debate today. 

 

Handful of Labour MPs still voted against allowing EU citizens right to remain and having any meaningful vote,

Corbyn didn't even turn up for the rally he called in Parliament square,

 

Join me tonight in Parliament Square and help defend the rights of EU citizens who have made a life here https://m.facebook.com/events/1304254299610323/?ti=icl 

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I think I mentioned alternatives in my statements and as we live on an island and our surrounded by wind,water and many days of rain it wouldn't be too difficult to harness them instead of the harmful and often deadly effects of nuclear energy. As for global warming nuclear power emits 10-20 times the Carbon dioxide that wind power does and is energy intensive as well as relying on massive government grants to keep it going. I think that money could be spent on cheaper and less harmful elements. 

 

But this is the real world we are talking about. You have to at least acknowledge the fact that you are trying to knock down the fossil fuel and nuclear power industries at the same time; and that, as nice as wind power might be, you might as well suggest we run the power stations on unicorn tears if you think you're doing that in the time required.

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But this is the real world we are talking about. You have to at least acknowledge the fact that you are trying to knock down the fossil fuel and nuclear power industries at the same time; and that, as nice as wind power might be, you might as well suggest we run the power stations on unicorn tears if you think you're doing that in the time required.

I am not suggesting nuclear power will stop overnight(if only!) but there have to be much safer alternatives available,at least for the sake of future generations. I would rather those nuclear power subsidies be allotted to something like Hydro Electric Power but am fully aware of the powerful nuclear lobbies have.

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Just one mention of the embarrassing backpedaling by Hammond and May in yesterday's PMQs. All six questions should have been about NICs yet he couldn't go off script. Laughable when the incompetent government make the opposition leader look even more incompetent and can walkaway scot-free.

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Just one mention of the embarrassing backpedaling by Hammond and May in yesterday's PMQs. All six questions should have been about NICs yet he couldn't go off script. Laughable when the incompetent government make the opposition leader look even more incompetent and can walkaway scot-free.

Apparently, Kuenssberg made it all about Corbyn.

 

Here's Peter Stefanovic's response.

 

https://www.facebook.com/PeterStefanovicJuniorDoctors/videos/390797344636227/

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There's also the report of secret tapes with the Momentum leader discussing a left wing takeover of the party.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/18/secret-tape-reveals-momentum-plot-to-link-with-unite-seize-control-of-labour

 

If left-wing politics as espoused by Momentum are what people want, why not just create a new party? You should then take all the support from the current PLP from what a lot of people say. This kind of clandestine nonsense just ensures further Tory governments.

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There's also the report of secret tapes with the Momentum leader discussing a left wing takeover of the party.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/18/secret-tape-reveals-momentum-plot-to-link-with-unite-seize-control-of-labour

 

If left-wing politics as espoused by Momentum are what people want, why not just create a new party? You should then take all the support from the current PLP from what a lot of people say. This kind of clandestine nonsense just ensures further Tory governments.

s/takeover/take back/g

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There's also the report of secret tapes with the Momentum leader discussing a left wing takeover of the party.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/18/secret-tape-reveals-momentum-plot-to-link-with-unite-seize-control-of-labour

 

If left-wing politics as espoused by Momentum are what people want, why not just create a new party? You should then take all the support from the current PLP from what a lot of people say. This kind of clandestine nonsense just ensures further Tory governments.

To set up a new party you'd need funds and therefore backers,rich ones. How about,instead,that the cunts who have hijacked the Labour Party and stolen a century's worth of the organisation and funds that real Socialists and campaigners fought hard to create,go and start their own party? Its clear they want nothing to do with what the party actually stands for and just want its historical kudos to further their career. They could be the Condemn Party as thats what they are doing to ordinary British people by guaranteeing an eternal fascist government. Fuckers.

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Hardly clandestine. Members have been organising on social media and co-ordinating between CLP's for ages, whether they are members of Momentum or not. Momentum is also funded by Labour Party members.

 

Organisations like Progess and Labour First are funded by private donors and big business.

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There's also the report of secret tapes with the Momentum leader discussing a left wing takeover of the party.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/18/secret-tape-reveals-momentum-plot-to-link-with-unite-seize-control-of-labour

If left-wing politics as espoused by Momentum are what people want, why not just create a new party? You should then take all the support from the current PLP from what a lot of people say. This kind of clandestine nonsense just ensures further Tory governments.

You would think more people working together is effective.

 

Anyway maybe Mandy sent out an email.

 

Peter Mandelson: I try to undermine Jeremy Corbyn 'every single day.

 

“Something, however small it may be – an email, a phone call or a meeting I convene – every day I try to do something to save the Labour party from his leadership

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Hardly clandestine. Members have been organising on social media and co-ordinating between CLP's for ages, whether they are members of Momentum or not. Momentum is also funded by Labour Party members.

 

Organisations like Progess and Labour First are funded by private donors and big business.

 

Most of Progress's funding comes from Lord Sainsbury. Last time I checked, he was a Labour Party member.

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Most of Progress's funding comes from Lord Sainsbury. Last time I checked, he was a Labour Party member.

 

I think you can file that one under big business as Anubis stated. 

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There's also the report of secret tapes with the Momentum leader discussing a left wing takeover of the party.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/18/secret-tape-reveals-momentum-plot-to-link-with-unite-seize-control-of-labour

 

If left-wing politics as espoused by Momentum are what people want, why not just create a new party? You should then take all the support from the current PLP from what a lot of people say. This kind of clandestine nonsense just ensures further Tory governments.

Cracking piece of propagandising, that.  The article and the headline are full of snide allusions to clandestine plans (and, inevitably, that anti-Labour tub of shit Tom Watson sticking his oar in).  The actual tape is the leader of Momentum talking about the Labour Party becoming more open and democratic.

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Apparently, Kuenssberg made it all about Corbyn.

 

Here's Peter Stefanovic's response.

 

https://www.facebook.com/PeterStefanovicJuniorDoctors/videos/390797344636227/

That video got over a million hits in 48 hours. Poor Sebastian White isn't happy.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/843039755080208385

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Eoin Clarke‏ @LabourEoin

 

In case you are not watching #marr, Tony Blair just threw his full support behind Osborne being both an MP & editor of Evening Standard

 

Alex Tomlinson‏ @alexillustrator

 

@LabourEoin we are witnessing the dawning of a new age, that of the Cuntocrat.

 

Saw this old article posted from 08 below. Osborne, Mandelson, Yachts Rothschild, Russian Oligarch and that trade deal.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/oct/21/mandelson-georgeosborne

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From The Guardian :

 

 

 

An apparent plan by the leftwing Momentum organisation to take control of Labour amounts to “a battle for the future existence” of the party, Tom Watson has said, urging Labour members to combat the threat.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/20/labour-in-battle-with-momentum-for-its-future-says-watson

 

Looks like Tom and his fellow cronies are worried about democracy breaking out, as usual.

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