Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[VladimirIlyich]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/01/corbyn-staying-not-good-enough

 

Owen Jones

I just wish for once this Owen Jones would acknowledge how hamstrung Corbyn has been by his fellow MPs despite having policies that resonate with the rank and file members and the public in general. It seems to be that somebody has suddenly told him to help bring down Corbyn by constantly criticising him after being pretty open minded to his leadership and policies.

[Jose Jones]

Did you actually read that Vlad?

[Hades]

I'm against left sectarianism but the people have to be on the left in the first place.

[Section_31]

I just wish for once this Owen Jones would acknowledge how hamstrung Corbyn has been by his fellow MPs despite having policies that resonate with the rank and file members and the public in general. It seems to be that somebody has suddenly told him to help bring down Corbyn by constantly criticising him after being pretty open minded to his leadership and policies.

 

He does admit all that. 

 

Corbyn is the Kenny Dalglish of politics. I like him, I respect him, I like what he stands for, but the results speak for themselves and I won't think less of him when he's replaced, but replaced he needs to be. 

[Jairzinho]

And likely to be replaced by someone like Brendan Rodgers.

[Jose Jones]

You depressing bastards.

[Scooby Dudek]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/01/corbyn-staying-not-good-enough

 

Owen Jones 

I was fully behind Corbyn and rejoined the Labour party to vote for him in the first leadership election. I am still a member and voted for him again. Unfortunately I now find myself agreeing with most of what Jones wrote in that article. 

 

However the issue for me is his last paragraph ;

 

I understand the dilemma torturing so many who supported Corbyn. Lifelong commitment to a good and noble cause; fear that if Corbyn falls the cause will fall with him; yet fear that his project is failing badly and risks destroying the cause in any case. Not only the future of Labour but the future of this country depends on what the party decides. Either we become a country riddled with hatred and fear, a playground for billionaires, that slashes support for the working poor and disabled people, that runs down and flogs off the services we depend on; or a country run in the interests of the real wealth creators, working people.

 

 

Jones describes a country he thinks we may become, unfortunately in no small part thanks to New Labour we are already a country as he describes.

 

More New Labour policies of we will cut but not as quickly as the Tories ?

We now have this Government mocking Labour that they are spending more on the NHS than Labour pledged, the working wage will be higher in 2020 than Labour pledged.

Let's not forget the wonderful Labour Immigration general election mugs.

 

The depressing thought for me is if Corbyn steps aside, who could I possibly support in the Labour party who would be allowed on the ballot? 

[stringvest]

And likely to be replaced by someone like Brendan Rodgers.

 

 

astute.

[magicrat]

Didn't Brendan Rodgers replace Bodger 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Didn't Brendan Rodgers replace Bodger

Milliband = Hodgson

Corbyn = Dalglish

God-knows-who = Rodgers

[Jairzinho]

Hilary Benn could steady the ship.

[Jairzinho]

Milliband = Hodgson

Corbyn = Dalglish

God-knows-who = Rodgers

 

Chukka Umunna or Tristram Hunt. Peddlers of utter, utter bullshit.

[Bobby Hundreds]

I can't equate mandelson with labour it just seems like a bizarre fit. Surely he is just the ultimate Tory infiltrator.

[TheBitch]

Depressing reading.

I watched Jonathan Pie on Friday night and he said very similar things. 

 

He also said something along the lines of "Fuck the fucking tories in their fucking A-holes"

 

The support act also called me a twink. Make of that what you will.

[Strontium]

I can't equate mandelson with labour it just seems like a bizarre fit. Surely he is just the ultimate Tory infiltrator.

 

Er, he's the grandson of Herbert Morrison.

[Bobby Hundreds]

"THE" HERBERT STANLEY MORRISON, BARON MORRISON OF LAMBETH... DEPUTY TO CLEMENT ATLEE... that guy!! Cunts.

[dennis tooth]

Er, he's the grandson of Herbert Morrison.

Whys that matter?

[Bobby Hundreds]

To be fair it's about as strong a link to labour as you can get if your grandad was deputy prime minister. Which I clearly didn't know but I still don't see it in mandelson as a persona.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Er, he's the grandson of Herbert Morrison.

Hilary Benn managed to turn cunt after just one generation.

[Rico1304]

Hilary Benn managed to turn cunt after just one generation.

I think you'll find his dad was the rogue.

[King Emlyn]

Oy Den, you still good for doling out those tenners when May smashes Corbyn in the next GE?

[skend04]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/03/labour-party-lost-members-mid-2016?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=215760&subid=10890646&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

 

Members leaving in numbers.

[VladimirIlyich]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/03/labour-party-lost-members-mid-2016?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=215760&subid=10890646&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

 

Members leaving in numbers.

Nice that the source is the PLP chairman and also a Lord. Those figures don't look that bad to me,from 544,000 to 526,000 is not that bad and it doesn't even say why everybody left other than article 50,and I wouldn't believe everything they say either. All I will say is this 'If there is a better leadership candidate who represents ordinary members of the Labour Party,a Social Democrat or left of centre candidate,then put him/her forward and I will seriously consider them.' I bet many of us who voted for Corbyn will say something similar. I only wish these cunts would put as much effort into fighting the tories as they do fighting their own leader.

 

PS If its Jeremy Corbyn himself who is preventing Alliances with other parties to kick the Tories out then I will almost certainly vote for his rival if they are centre left and will encourage an anti tory alliance.

Can't say much fairer than that.

[Rico1304]

Interesting take on Blair and New Labour.

 

https://politicalscrapbook.net/2017/03/what-did-new-labour-actually-achieve-epic-twitter-thread-hits-back-at-ken-loach-and-paul-mason/

[VladimirIlyich]

Interesting take on Blair and New Labour.

 

https://politicalscrapbook.net/2017/03/what-did-new-labour-actually-achieve-epic-twitter-thread-hits-back-at-ken-loach-and-paul-mason/

No mention of how they did it though,PFI,rimming Rupert Murdoch,Bush etc. They're mostly good things listed of course, but the cost,not financial,has left the party in the shitter. Did he mention the wars there?